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    (Original post by doivid)
    I think that this is what I believe as well. Unfortunately so long as the universities have financial ties with the government through funding and subsidies then they will face pressure from the (labour) government to increase social mobility in the university system. I don't think if the conservatives were in power they would be similarly as 'pushy' as labour have been in terms of making universities become more 'diverse' in their intake of students. If some universities want to disadvantage themselves by not selecting candidates with the greatest potential then they will face increased competition from other universities into which these candidates are accepted.
    Your just not getting it! Going to a private school more often than not gets you better teaching and many more extra-curriculurs. I go to a grammar school but used to go to a private school. I despair at the number of people in my grammar school who at my old private school would have got top grades and be going to a top uni. Universities are trying to pick the best and most able people and often those are the ones from difficult conditions with 'good' grades and not those from wealthy backgrounds who have had great schooling.

    Also get over yourself private school students 7% of people go to private school yet at oxbridge 50% of students came from private school (the numbers are only slightly less for bristol, lse, ucl etc)
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    Your just not getting it! Going to a private school more often than not gets you better teaching and many more extra-curriculurs. I go to a grammar school but used to go to a private school. I despair at the number of people in my grammar school who at my old private school would have got top grades and be going to a top uni. Universities are trying to pick the best and most able people and often those are the ones from difficult conditions with 'good' grades and not those from wealthy backgrounds who have had great schooling.

    Also get over yourself private school students 7% of people go to private school yet at oxbridge 50% of students came from private school (the numbers are only slightly less for bristol, lse, ucl etc)
    You're complaining about going to a grammar school? Goodness me..
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    (Original post by meowmeowmutiny)
    You're complaining about going to a grammar school? Goodness me..
    No i'm not??? At all? Im complaining at the fact that despite the fact these people go to a grammar school they are still far more intelligent and willing than many at my previous school, yet they will achieve far less. Because of background, wealth and schooling.
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    No i'm not??? At all? Im complaining at the fact that despite the fact these people go to a grammar school they are still far more intelligent and willing than many at my previous school, yet they will achieve far less. Because of background, wealth and schooling.
    Around my area the grammar schools achieved far higher than the private schools.
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    (Original post by PNEJOE)
    Your just not getting it! Going to a private school more often than not gets you better teaching and many more extra-curriculurs. I go to a grammar school but used to go to a private school. I despair at the number of people in my grammar school who at my old private school would have got top grades and be going to a top uni. Universities are trying to pick the best and most able people and often those are the ones from difficult conditions with 'good' grades and not those from wealthy backgrounds who have had great schooling.

    Also get over yourself private school students 7% of people go to private school yet at oxbridge 50% of students came from private school (the numbers are only slightly less for bristol, lse, ucl etc)
    I also go to a grammar school, currently in my seventh year. :p:

    I think you misunderstood my argument. I don't think that the government should have a say in what applicants universities accept. If some universities don't want to pick the best candidates (because they are prejudiced towards state school pupils, or for other reasons), then eventually these universities will not be held in as high regard because the undergraduates who eventually go on to become specialists in their areas of study will be affiliated with other universities.

    I never said that universities shouldn't consider the applicants background. If universities don't think that an applicant had realised their full potential because they haven't had the resources available to them and subsequently make them an offer, then I have nothing against that.

    All I said was, the government shouldn't tell universities that they should have a certain 'quota' of individuals, from different social groups.

    And my grammar school has one of the best sixth forms in the area.

    And I'm part of the 50% of state school students that get offers from Oxbridge.
 
 
 
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