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    (Original post by WaltzvWendt)
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    Thank you for the detailed reply, I really appreciate it.

    One more question.

    I'm strongly considering doing my masters in Liverpool (starting September this year), and I harbour desires to apply to Oxford to do my PhD, once I've finished the masters.

    How early should I apply? Is it very tough to get in? (my grades are quite good - hopefully I'll keep it that way).
    If you have any tips or thoughts on the matter, I'd be glad to hear them.
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    (Original post by PrimateJ)

    How early should I apply? Is it very tough to get in? (my grades are quite good - hopefully I'll keep it that way).
    If you have any tips or thoughts on the matter, I'd be glad to hear them.
    Overall Ox DPhil application deadlines/gathered fields are 3 months, usu. November, January, and March. Check the department's website. In general if the DPhil has only one deadline, then it doesn't matter how early you apply. All applications won't get sent from Ox grad admissions to the department until after that deadline. If the department has several deadlines, then the earliest will be best as you can expect a quicker response.

    BUT they will not look at just the marks. The Research Proposal will be scrutinized very carefully for both supervisor-availability, fit, etc. I see that you're switching disciplines in your MSc and that Liverpool's is 1 year. It's not impossible, but would be difficult to create a detailed and rigorous proposal. You may not have yet gained enough knowledge in your course to do so while making an early deadline. Preparation for this requires a lot of reading and drafting, optionally multiple communications with a member of staff to help you formulate one. Also, Ox advises that reference letters be made by those in the field which you are applying, who can also comment on your work and research topic. So if you stick to evol. psychol then it would be your MSc tutors who may not be willing to write a reference in a 1 year course as early as a Nov. deadline (they could say they don't know you well enough). So be aware of the risks you may run by applying too early. A STRONG application has priority over an early one :cool: .....................as for difficulty of getting in :confused: I'll know by April:dong: Good luck on your Masters!
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    (Original post by WaltzvWendt)
    Overall Ox DPhil application deadlines/gathered fields are 3 months, usu. November, January, and March. Check the department's website. In general if the DPhil has only one deadline, then it doesn't matter how early you apply. All applications won't get sent from Ox grad admissions to the department until after that deadline. If the department has several deadlines, then the earliest will be best as you can expect a quicker response.

    BUT they will not look at just the marks. The Research Proposal will be scrutinized very carefully for both supervisor-availability, fit, etc. I see that you're switching disciplines in your MSc and that Liverpool's is 1 year. It's not impossible, but would be difficult to create a detailed and rigorous proposal. You may not have yet gained enough knowledge in your course to do so while making an early deadline. Preparation for this requires a lot of reading and drafting, optionally multiple communications with a member of staff to help you formulate one. Also, Ox advises that reference letters be made by those in the field which you are applying, who can also comment on your work and research topic. So if you stick to evol. psychol then it would be your MSc tutors who may not be willing to write a reference in a 1 year course as early as a Nov. deadline (they could say they don't know you well enough). So be aware of the risks you may run by applying too early. A STRONG application has priority over an early one :cool: .....................as for difficulty of getting in :confused: I'll know by April:dong: Good luck on your Masters!
    Hey, many thanks for the response!

    I have one or two brief questions about it:
    Given those deadlines, commencement of the PhD would begin around September or October?

    My MSc begins in September this year - so at the most I'd be about 6 months into the course (around the March deadline) before having to apply? (The November deadline would give me about one month!?)

    So as well as working like a maniac on the MSc, I'd have to be putting together a good research proposal. Jeez. :-/
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    (Original post by PrimateJ)

    My MSc begins in September this year - so at the most I'd be about 6 months into the course (around the March deadline) before having to apply? (The November deadline would give me about one month!?)

    So as well as working like a maniac on the MSc, I'd have to be putting together a good research proposal. Jeez. :-/
    Plus trying to get the best out of your referees who may have only taught you for a small amount of hours whilst you're still a 'new' student. There is sometimes a Jan deadline depending on faculty/subject.

    Even applying in January of a MA year was hard and bad enough. You should see the difference in my proposals from last year's application to this year's!
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    (Original post by PrimateJ)
    Hey, many thanks for the response!

    I have one or two brief questions about it:
    Given those deadlines, commencement of the PhD would begin around September or October?

    My MSc begins in September this year - so at the most I'd be about 6 months into the course (around the March deadline) before having to apply? (The November deadline would give me about one month!?)

    So as well as working like a maniac on the MSc, I'd have to be putting together a good research proposal. Jeez. :-/
    Commencement would be early October. And yes, you've got the timelines right. That is exactly why I didn't apply while I was actually taking my MSc (I was also a discline-switcher). I did it when I already graduated. On gap-year right now. I have no regrets as I knew I wouldn't have stood a chance if I applied on the year!
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    Plus trying to get the best out of your referees who may have only taught you for a small amount of hours whilst you're still a 'new' student. There is sometimes a Jan deadline depending on faculty/subject.

    Even applying in January of a MA year was hard and bad enough. You should see the difference in my proposals from last year's application to this year's!
    How on earth do other people manage??
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    (Original post by WaltzvWendt)
    Commencement would be early October. And yes, you've got the timelines right. That is exactly why I didn't apply while I was actually taking my MSc (I was also a discline-switcher). I did it when I already graduated. On gap-year right now. I have no regrets as I knew I wouldn't have stood a chance if I applied on the year!
    I've already taken two gap years! (Worked my ass off in a job I detest).

    So, if you don't plan to take a gap year, you're pretty much screwed?
    How do other people manage?!
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    (Original post by PrimateJ)
    How on earth do other people manage??
    Well I managed ish - only applied to two places, one rejection, one offer but didn't get funding. Tbh I can quite see why too.

    You have to treat the proposal as an assignment really which I guess is the tough part as often you'll be working on actual essays at the same time.

    I'm so glad I had an enforced year off though!
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    (Original post by PrimateJ)
    So, if you don't plan to take a gap year, you're pretty much screwed?

    How do other people manage?!
    We just... work a lot? It helps if you have a good deal of continuity when going from BA to MA: I have stayed at the same university and am studying essentially the same subject.

    Of course, I haven't quite "managed" yet: I have one offer from a PhD programme; but am yet to hear from other universities and about funding.
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    We just... work a lot? It helps if you have a good deal of continuity when going from BA to MA: I have stayed at the same university and am studying essentially the same subject.

    Of course, I haven't quite "managed" yet: I have one offer from a PhD programme; but am yet to hear from other universities and about funding.
    When you say a "PhD programme", do you mean it's some kind of pre-set linear progression to studying your current subject at doctoral level?

    I'm unsure because I thought one would come up with a fairly specialised topic of interest, contact supervisor's, and hopeful one of them gets back to you.
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    (Original post by apotoftea)
    Well I managed ish - only applied to two places, one rejection, one offer but didn't get funding. Tbh I can quite see why too.

    You have to treat the proposal as an assignment really which I guess is the tough part as often you'll be working on actual essays at the same time.

    I'm so glad I had an enforced year off though!
    On what basis did they reject your proposal?

    How are you gonna manage without funding - still hunting for it, I imagine?
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    (Original post by PrimateJ)
    On what basis did they reject your proposal?

    How are you gonna manage without funding - still hunting for it, I imagine?
    I just know my application wasn't strong enough for the rejection and my proposal was pretty weak looking back which makes up so much of many applications. For the funding, they didn't fund any of their own students for a start and again the proposal wasn't good. I didn't have any MA marks either.

    I'm still in applications stage this year so offers haven't happened yet, let alone funding. I can't do it without funding. End of.
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    (Original post by PrimateJ)
    When you say a "PhD programme", do you mean it's some kind of pre-set linear progression to studying your current subject at doctoral level?

    I'm unsure because I thought one would come up with a fairly specialised topic of interest, contact supervisor's, and hopeful one of them gets back to you.
    No, the characterisation of the process you give in your second paragraph is quite accurate. "Programme" is just a synonym for "course". It's an American thing, I think.

    e: Well, actually, there are some disciplines (especially social sciences) in which the progression from Masters to Doctoral work is pretty linear and straight-forward (the ESRC gives out "1+3" studentships, for instance). But I'm a History student.
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    (Original post by PrimateJ)
    I was thinking the extra year (2 years is a bit much...) would look better on my CV - as well as being great enjoyment for me (I really love college, and the masters in Liverpool is only 1 year).

    So, in that sense, it wouldn't be a waste at all.
    I love scholarship.

    But I also am considering doing a Phd - so perhaps it would be a waste to spend so long in university.

    I would LOVE to get into Oxford, and I'd feel that I was selling myself short if I didn't at least go for it.
    Is Oxford far more expensive than Liverpool?
    Is Oxford more expensive than liverpool?
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    (Original post by benwiggy)
    Is Oxford more expensive than liverpool?
    You'll note I asked if it's far more expensive.
 
 
 
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