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    GOLF!!!! its all about the quick gear changes to win.
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    (Original post by fosters88)
    Peugeot 306 1.4 2001 (75bhp, 80lbft, 1100kg)
    2425lbs = Power to Weight Ratio is 1hp per 32.8lbs

    VW Golf 1.4 Mk3 2003 (75 bhp, 90lbft, 1350kg)
    2976lbs = Power to Weight Ratio is 1hp per 39.7lbs

    Corsa Mk2 1.2 2003 (73 bhp, unknow torque and weight)
    Peugeot 106 1.1 1996 (60bhp)

    I suspect the following without doing further research into the weights....
    Corsa > 306 > depends on if theres an extreme weight difference but its more likely to be Golf > 106!
    So overall Corsa > 306 > Golf > 106

    Just out of interest I have done the following....
    KA 1.3 8v, 69bhp, torque: 78.19lbft, Weight: 898kg / 1979lbs
    Fiesta 1.25, 74bhp, torque: 81.0 lbft, Weight 1101kg / 2427lbs
    Corsa 1.2 16v, 79bhp, torque: 81.14 lbft, Weight 1069kg / 2356 lbs
    Clio 1.2 16v, 75bhp, torque: 77.45 lbft, Weight: 1090kg / 2403 lbs
    Micra 1.2 16v, 79bhp, torque: 81.00 lbft, Weight 1050kg / 2310lbs
    Polo 1.4 TDI, 79bhp, torque not sure but higher than the above cars, Weight 1267 kg / 2787 lbs
    NOTE all old models

    If we assume males are 12.5 stone that’s 175lbs.

    male driver + 1 male passenger in car:
    KA) new weight 2154lbs, thus new power to weight ratio 1hp per 31.2lbs
    Micra) new weight 2485lbs, thus new power to weight ratio 1hp per 31.5lbs
    Corsa) new weight 2531lbs, thus new power to weight ratio 1hp per 32lbs
    Clio) new weight 2578lbs, thus new power to weight ratio 1hp per 34.4lbs
    Fiesta) new weight 2602lbs, thus new power to weight ratio 1hp per 35.2lbs
    Polo) new weight 2962lbs, thus new power to weight ratio 1hp per 37.5lbs
    =Ka which is the least power has quicker acceleration of the 6. Polo is heavy and slow.

    male driver + 4 male passenger in car:
    Micra) new weight 3185lbs, thus new power to weight ratio 1hp per 40.3lbs
    Corsa) new weight 3231lbs, thus new power to weight ratio 1hp per 40.9lbs
    KA) new weight 2854lbs, thus new power to weight ratio 1hp per 41.5lbs
    Clio) new weight 3278lbs, thus new power to weight ratio 1hp per 43.7lbs
    Fiesta) new weight 3302lbs, thus new power to weight ratio 1hp per 44.6lbs
    Polo) new weight 3662lbs, thus new power to weight ratio 1hp per 46.4lbs
    =scales are tipped and the more powerful copes with the weight better namely the Micra and Corsa. But Ka still does very well for been the least powerfull coming 3/6. That particular Polo model does not have enough power for its weight and when additonal weight is added it suffers badly! Like wise for that particular Fiesta it does not move up the charts.
    Also add corners/bends the old style Ka/Corsa and probably the Clio would perform much better than the Micra/Fiesta/Polo.

    Doing a variety of power to weight ratio calculations e.g.
    if you take cars weight and then devise a generic figure of weight for driver, passenger, luggage, petrol
    just car
    car + driver
    car + driver + full/half tank
    car + driver + luggage
    car + driver + luggage + full/half tank
    car + driver + passenger (1-4)
    car + driver + passenger (1-4) + full/half tank
    car + driver + passenger (1-4) + luggage
    car + driver + passenger (1-4) + luggage + full/half tank

    Is the true way of finding out a cars 0-60
    you need to know how a car performs with the best possible power to weigh ratio and then add additonal weight to see when/if the scales tip against other cars.


    All these 0-60 stats are waffle, there is not a variety of stats taking into consideration weight when the car is light when the car is heavy.
    Also who is to say the 0-60 stat they provided e.g. did have or did not have a full tank of fuel etc.
    When a 0-60 stat is published there is no disclaimer to say e.g. ""THIS STAT CAME ABOUT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS APPLIED TO THE CAR..... blah blah blah"
    your saying, corsa will win?
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    (Original post by deploythecowcatcher)
    we're all 18/19 and therefore haven't got a lot of choice
    What car is yours?
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    (Original post by Samrout)
    What car is yours?
    golf
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    Corsa, obviously.

    Light car, good engine, should beat everything else, just.
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    (Original post by deploythecowcatcher)
    golf
    From what i make of it, the golf has the upper hand, but i'd recommend practising your perfect starts so you dont wheelspin. Also extremely quick gear changes, so rip the crap out of your gearbox.

    Good luck
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    (Original post by fosters88)
    edit:
    are you sure you have provided the correct weight for your Golf?
    i think its roughly right, maybe a little heavier?
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    (Original post by Samrout)
    the golf has the upper hand
    what you mean lol? its 250 kg heavier than the rest!
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    (Original post by deploythecowcatcher)
    what you mean lol? its 250 kg heavier than the rest!
    less miles and more german power.

    Peugot 306 will be the only one that can give you a run for your money, the other two are pretty turd.
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    (Original post by Samrout)
    less miles and more german power.

    Peugot 306 will be the only one that can give you a run for your money, the other two are pretty turd.
    well i've driven in convoy with all of them (except the 106, which is no worry) and i can keep up with the corsa, but the 306 has beaten me off the line (although i did have a 100kg passenger in mine).
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    (Original post by deploythecowcatcher)
    well i've driven in convoy with all of them (except the 106, which is no worry) and i can keep up with the corsa, but the 306 has beaten me off the line (although i did have a 100kg passenger in mine).
    you got a petrol car right?

    if all else fails.. ram him. All i can offer is race with a quarter tank, put the spare wheel in another car and pump up your tyres.
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    The golf will win, in a similar race, a astara 1.6 was able to overpower a corsa 1.4 with a better power to weight ratio, possibly due to getter tyres and start. I'm told. And a golf should weigh about 1250kg surely?!
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    don't think so

    Opel Corsa A = Vauxhall Nova = 1983 - 1993

    Corsa B = 1993- 2000 in Europe

    Corsa C = 2000 -2006 in Europe

    Corsa D = current model



    1.2 none twinport has 75 PS and 110Nm

    Look at what you wrote.

    In most motoring circles, people cite the Nova as it's own range, NOT corsa A.

    As far as I'm concerned, it's a mk2 Corsa, just as Parkers states here
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    (Original post by Samrout)
    less miles and more german power.

    Peugot 306 will be the only one that can give you a run for your money, the other two are pretty turd.
    Do you actually know anything about cars?
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    (Original post by Samrout)
    you got a petrol car right?

    if all else fails.. ram him. All i can offer is race with a quarter tank, put the spare wheel in another car and pump up your tyres.
    pump the tyres to their safe maximum you reckon?

    also you reckon turning the stero and the fans off will squeeze an extra horse out?
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    Street racing is illegal- and with cars like this I can't see it would even be any fun!

    btw my money would be on the 306, 1.4 in a golf feels underpowered.
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    (Original post by deploythecowcatcher)
    pump the tyres to their safe maximum you reckon?

    also you reckon turning the stero and the fans off will squeeze an extra horse out?
    yes and yes

    (Original post by Friggerpants)
    Do you actually know anything about cars?
    and yes
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    (Original post by Friggerpants)
    Look at what you wrote.

    In most motoring circles, people cite the Nova as it's own range, NOT corsa A.

    As far as I'm concerned, it's a mk2 Corsa, just as Parkers states here
    no we'll just ignore the terms in which GM Europe and the the 'dirty' ( i.e. parts, mechanicing , breakers ... ) end of the business use then
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    This thread is a bit like asking whether Tesco Value or Sainsbury's Basics toilet paper is better.
 
 
 
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