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cheating at oxford interviews
i was at st catherines in mid-december and happened to see something that might be labelled cheating.
everyone applying to a course with economics in it had an interview with the economics tutor, dr myatt. you were supposed to arrive twenty minutes before the interview so that you could read two short texts and think over a logic / game theory problem about pirates. anyway, four extra candidates from wadham were called over for interview on one of the last days. the last one of these (last name marther, i think), arrived at least 40 minutes before the interview, and spent the time mulling over the pirate problem with someone else just outside the building. (i walked by several times)
just wondering how serious this is and if anyone experienced something similar.
sluggy
everyone applying to a course with economics in it had an interview with the economics tutor, dr myatt. you were supposed to arrive twenty minutes before the interview so that you could read two short texts and think over a logic / game theory problem about pirates. anyway, four extra candidates from wadham were called over for interview on one of the last days. the last one of these (last name marther, i think), arrived at least 40 minutes before the interview, and spent the time mulling over the pirate problem with someone else just outside the building. (i walked by several times)
just wondering how serious this is and if anyone experienced something similar.
sluggy
sluggy
i was at st catherines in mid-december and happened to see something that might be labelled cheating.
everyone applying to a course with economics in it had an interview with the economics tutor, dr myatt. you were supposed to arrive twenty minutes before the interview so that you could read two short texts and think over a logic / game theory problem about pirates. anyway, four extra candidates from wadham were called over for interview on one of the last days. the last one of these (last name marther, i think), arrived at least 40 minutes before the interview, and spent the time mulling over the pirate problem with someone else just outside the building. (i walked by several times)
just wondering how serious this is and if anyone experienced something similar.
sluggy
everyone applying to a course with economics in it had an interview with the economics tutor, dr myatt. you were supposed to arrive twenty minutes before the interview so that you could read two short texts and think over a logic / game theory problem about pirates. anyway, four extra candidates from wadham were called over for interview on one of the last days. the last one of these (last name marther, i think), arrived at least 40 minutes before the interview, and spent the time mulling over the pirate problem with someone else just outside the building. (i walked by several times)
just wondering how serious this is and if anyone experienced something similar.
sluggy
that is not fair,I am sure the tutor would consider the time difference....
Sazzle
It doesn't seem very fair but the interviewers should be able to spot the potential they want and 20 min extra should make little difference. He also may have made things worse for himself by seeming over prepared.
How did he get the extract so early and why was there someone with him?
How did he get the extract so early and why was there someone with him?
the extract was on a sheet of paper that was just left on a chair outside the tutor's room; it must have been laying there all day. or any previous interviewee could have told her the problem.
she was accompanied by some guy who stood just outside the building. come to think of it, it was so blatantly obvious that im suprised no one else noticed.
sluggy
i was at st catherines in mid-december and happened to see something that might be labelled cheating.
everyone applying to a course with economics in it had an interview with the economics tutor, dr myatt. you were supposed to arrive twenty minutes before the interview so that you could read two short texts and think over a logic / game theory problem about pirates. anyway, four extra candidates from wadham were called over for interview on one of the last days. the last one of these (last name marther, i think), arrived at least 40 minutes before the interview, and spent the time mulling over the pirate problem with someone else just outside the building. (i walked by several times)
just wondering how serious this is and if anyone experienced something similar.
sluggy
everyone applying to a course with economics in it had an interview with the economics tutor, dr myatt. you were supposed to arrive twenty minutes before the interview so that you could read two short texts and think over a logic / game theory problem about pirates. anyway, four extra candidates from wadham were called over for interview on one of the last days. the last one of these (last name marther, i think), arrived at least 40 minutes before the interview, and spent the time mulling over the pirate problem with someone else just outside the building. (i walked by several times)
just wondering how serious this is and if anyone experienced something similar.
sluggy
do u mean that he mety a friend who was also having an interview, read his extract and then got his actual extract and carried on working? if not then he should not have been allowed his extract so early...at merton we checked that the person was who they sed they were and double checked their interview times.
i kinda had this problem wen i went for my interview...one particuarly "keen" applicant had his room just outside the interviewers and weneva someone would wait to go in, he pretended to come out and wish them luck. of course the conversation would soon move onto "so what is the extract about?". of course i told him "its about the law" because i wasnt going to give someone i was competing against an advantage! so if this is what u mean in the situation u describe...then the person who let the other guy discuss the extract with him is a fool!
Sazzle
It doesn't seem very fair but the interviewers should be able to spot the potential they want and 20 min extra should make little difference. He also may have made things worse for himself by seeming over prepared.
How did he get the extract so early and why was there someone with him?
How did he get the extract so early and why was there someone with him?
im afraid spotting potential is quite an exact science! thats what i thought when i went for my interviews last year but this year i was helping out behind the scenes and believe me, a confident person who has had extra time will have a huge advantage (unless they are incredibly thick)...the borderline between getting and offer and not is so tight that any little thing can push you to one side, especially if its a competitive year...so those of you who did not get in, don't be down about it!
Alexander
I had the same sort of thing in my philosophy interview; however having extra time to prepare would not have helped as the twenty minutes I was given was plenty... if I had arrived earlier I would have been able to have more time to prepare though.
I was given a piece the right amount of time before my interview (at cambridge though), but the interviewers lunch break was inbetween my two interviews, and it didn't take me the whole time to eat my lunch. so I guess i couldve spent the extra time looking at the extract, but it didn't really cross my mind. I guess in my situation there's not a lot they could do about it.
At Balliol for econ and man, everyone was told to go to the admissions office 30 mins before ones interview to get an article. There was no supervision whatsoever. I just went back to my room and looked through it. I could have called a billion people or gone ont he internet or anything. I also could have shown it to all the other applicants (of course one wouldnt though because they are the competition but still!)
Friends for other subjects at other colleges said that they had to sit in a supervised room under lock and key! hehe
Friends for other subjects at other colleges said that they had to sit in a supervised room under lock and key! hehe
emma_
At Balliol for econ and man, everyone was told to go to the admissions office 30 mins before ones interview to get an article. There was no supervision whatsoever. I just went back to my room and looked through it. I could have called a billion people or gone ont he internet or anything. I also could have shown it to all the other applicants (of course one wouldnt though because they are the competition but still!)
Friends for other subjects at other colleges said that they had to sit in a supervised room under lock and key! hehe
Friends for other subjects at other colleges said that they had to sit in a supervised room under lock and key! hehe
Worcester was quite good for al this articles business. We were told to go to the porters lodge 30 minutes before our scheduled interview times and there were students waiting for us there. They went to the porters for us and we each had an envelope with our articles in and our times on it in case we tried to come early.
We were then taken to the amazingly beautiful lower library to read over the articles, although the surroundings were slightly distracting at first.
Sazzle
It doesn't seem very fair but the interviewers should be able to spot the potential they want and 20 min extra should make little difference. He also may have made things worse for himself by seeming over prepared.
How did he get the extract so early and why was there someone with him?
How did he get the extract so early and why was there someone with him?
Why would it be worse?? I don't have a single clue how they judge our potential... by not looking for any right answers! does anyone know??
Worcester's library is jolly nice, isn't it? Shame about the top floor being really horrid and cramped - you can recreate it by stuffing 100000 books into your attic and closing off all the ventilation sources.
St.John's has a lovely library too.
Carry on!
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St.John's has a lovely library too.
Carry on!
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Allotriophagy
Worcester's library is jolly nice, isn't it? Shame about the top floor being really horrid and cramped - you can recreate it by stuffing 100000 books into your attic and closing off all the ventilation sources.
St.John's has a lovely library too.
Carry on!
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St.John's has a lovely library too.
Carry on!
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I haven't seen the upper library, though I guess I'll get used to it if it's like you described. I haven't seen St John's library but the colege itself is quite nice.
I was looking at applying to Oxford at the start of this year and it was between Worcester, Harris Manchester and New College. Ended up applying for St.John's at Cambridge, after I was assured they would accept my application!
Don't worry about the asthetics of the upper library - the important thing is that it has got all the books you will need! But hey...good work on getting an offer. FOCUS!
OT: Noone could cheat at the John's exam since it was all unseen and noone spoke to each other beforehand and most people seemed too nervous to talk anyway.
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Don't worry about the asthetics of the upper library - the important thing is that it has got all the books you will need! But hey...good work on getting an offer. FOCUS!
OT: Noone could cheat at the John's exam since it was all unseen and noone spoke to each other beforehand and most people seemed too nervous to talk anyway.
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Allotriophagy
I was looking at applying to Oxford at the start of this year and it was between Worcester, Harris Manchester and New College. Ended up applying for St.John's at Cambridge, after I was assured they would accept my application!
Don't worry about the asthetics of the upper library - the important thing is that it has got all the books you will need! But hey...good work on getting an offer. FOCUS!
OT: Noone could cheat at the John's exam since it was all unseen and noone spoke to each other beforehand and most people seemed too nervous to talk anyway.
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Don't worry about the asthetics of the upper library - the important thing is that it has got all the books you will need! But hey...good work on getting an offer. FOCUS!
OT: Noone could cheat at the John's exam since it was all unseen and noone spoke to each other beforehand and most people seemed too nervous to talk anyway.
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Thanks Allotriophagy. good luck with your application.
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