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(Original post by pkonline)
That's true. I'm not saying the asylum system is great at present. It fails both us and asylum seekers. My main point is on attitude. We have so many negative comments we rarely look at the bigger picture.
but the negative attitude is a consequence of the failing system.
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Ok, then do you agree with allowing asylum seekers in to the UK?
we have a duty to provide refuge for those genuinely fleeing persecution.
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(Original post by vienna95)
we have a duty to provide refuge for those genuinely fleeing persecution.
Persecution from what? What if tehy are a criminal in a very musilm country and it is deemed that he must die for stealing some food to feed his family. Would you allow him in?
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Persecution from what? What if tehy are a criminal in a very musilm country and it is deemed that he must die for stealing some food to feed his family. Would you allow him in?
no.
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(Original post by vienna95)
no.
Ok, so no criminal at all. What about political persecution though?
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(Original post by 2776)
Ok, so no criminal at all. What about political persecution though?
if someones life was threatened due to their political beliefs, they would have grounds to apply for asylum.
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if someones life was threatened due to their political beliefs, they would have grounds to apply for asylum.
How about someone with a political belief of driving the government out by force?
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How about someone with a political belief of driving the government out by force?
elaborate...
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(Original post by vienna95)
elaborate...
um driving out american government?
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um driving out american government?
you mean US citizens commiting acts of violence against the US state?
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you mean US citizens commiting acts of violence against the US state?
yes, something like that and asking for asylum
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yes, something like that and asking for asylum
hehe, er, no.
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What about last month's announcement by David Blunkett to repatriate Iraqi asylum-seekers to areas in Iraq which are still dangerous? Is this not a breach of international law?
how?
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To physically force people back, or to deprive them of their rights in a way that leaves them with no choice but to return would be a breach of international human rights and refugee law and also go against the UN Security Council resolution.
if no threat exists to their life then they have no right to claim asylum in the UK.
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if no threat exists to their life then they have no right to claim asylum in the UK.
what do you mean by the threatining of life? a famine can kill, as can a war, or a abusive husband....what do you mean?
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what do you mean by the threatining of life? a famine can kill, as can a war, or a abusive husband....what do you mean?
i mean if there is no immediate threat to their life under the criteria regarding grounds for asylum application...an abusive husband, a famine or prosecution for a criminal offence do not justify asylum application to me.
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I mean if they were already in the UK after having successfully fled persecution and then being forced back into an area which is highly dangerous.
but as dangerous as Iraq is, it is unlikely that they would be in immediate danger and would not have reasonable grounds to claim asylum, have no right to remain in the UK and would be deported.
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(Original post by vienna95)
*yawns*
Whats that suppose to mean?
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Whats that suppose to mean?
what you had to say is old hat.
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what you had to say is old hat.
"old hat" ?

"elaborate..."
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