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pkonline

That's true. I'm not saying the asylum system is great at present. It fails both us and asylum seekers. My main point is on attitude. We have so many negative comments we rarely look at the bigger picture.

but the negative attitude is a consequence of the failing system.

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Vienna

2776

Ok, then do you agree with allowing asylum seekers in to the UK?

we have a duty to provide refuge for those genuinely fleeing persecution.

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vienna95

we have a duty to provide refuge for those genuinely fleeing persecution.

Persecution from what? What if tehy are a criminal in a very musilm country and it is deemed that he must die for stealing some food to feed his family. Would you allow him in?

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2776

Persecution from what? What if tehy are a criminal in a very musilm country and it is deemed that he must die for stealing some food to feed his family. Would you allow him in?

no.

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vienna95

no.

Ok, so no criminal at all. What about political persecution though?

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2776

Ok, so no criminal at all. What about political persecution though?

if someones life was threatened due to their political beliefs, they would have grounds to apply for asylum.

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vienna95

if someones life was threatened due to their political beliefs, they would have grounds to apply for asylum.

How about someone with a political belief of driving the government out by force?

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2776

How about someone with a political belief of driving the government out by force?

elaborate...

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vienna95

elaborate...

um driving out american government?

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Vienna

2776

um driving out american government?

you mean US citizens commiting acts of violence against the US state?

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vienna95

you mean US citizens commiting acts of violence against the US state?

yes, something like that and asking for asylum

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Vienna

2776

yes, something like that and asking for asylum

hehe, er, no.

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timeofyourlife

What about last month's announcement by David Blunkett to repatriate Iraqi asylum-seekers to areas in Iraq which are still dangerous? Is this not a breach of international law?

how?

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timeofyourlife

To physically force people back, or to deprive them of their rights in a way that leaves them with no choice but to return would be a breach of international human rights and refugee law and also go against the UN Security Council resolution.

if no threat exists to their life then they have no right to claim asylum in the UK.

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curryADD

vienna95

if no threat exists to their life then they have no right to claim asylum in the UK.

what do you mean by the threatining of life? a famine can kill, as can a war, or a abusive husband....what do you mean?

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curryADD

what do you mean by the threatining of life? a famine can kill, as can a war, or a abusive husband....what do you mean?

i mean if there is no immediate threat to their life under the criteria regarding grounds for asylum application...an abusive husband, a famine or prosecution for a criminal offence do not justify asylum application to me.

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timeofyourlife

I mean if they were already in the UK after having successfully fled persecution and then being forced back into an area which is highly dangerous.

but as dangerous as Iraq is, it is unlikely that they would be in immediate danger and would not have reasonable grounds to claim asylum, have no right to remain in the UK and would be deported.