one HUUUUUUGE thing people seem to be missing here. Looks like the argument is based on achievements (past ones at that- why aren't people individualists?), how far people have got, who invented what, who contributed what, etc.the minds of the capitalists, who measure ordination in terms of gain. Dare i suggest that maybe, just maybe, whether someone is subordiante to another perso should rest on more than what is being argued in this thread.Even if black people had contributed zilch to the world ( apart from the rich history, including the whole of the egyptian civilisation, and the fact that the west got rich by using black people to do their biddings, and the cultures that have been developed by black history, etc) this to me would not, and shout not to anyone, put them below others. the measure of a person should be based on their willingness to be selfless, to help others, to lead good, happy lives without harming others. a person is subordinate when they have bad feelings about others, who they have judged, or when they murder another, harm another, lie, steal, cheat, and in general are bad people, who hate themselves, and so shove thei bitterness onto others. People who are narrow minded, so silly that they beleieve they are above others simply becaus etheir ancesotrs did a load of stuff.
stop arguing about who's better than the other based on who did what in the past, as it's pathetic, narrow- minded, and shows some of you people cannot see bigger pictures.
My arguement is and always has been that there is not a shred of evidence to show that the achievements of white people in history have been because they are white.
All things equal in evironmental ackground blakc people tend to have near same IQ, and abilities. Seems to me the 'achievements' of white people are rather like the money making ability of the rich. Do the aristocracy have more astute businessminds than the rest of us? No. ITs just that money makes it easier tomake more money.
Similarly it was europeans who (mainly due to fierce competition with each other and lots of accessible resources - plus fantastic temperate environment) got ahead technologically wise. Once you're ahead, it makes it allthe easier to get further ahead.
I mean, most of the real advances only came after agricultural revolution when it became possible to dedicate yourself tocertain areas of knowledge/science and not need worry about subsistence farming...
Our environment is what allowed us toget way ahead in terms of advancement, and its our environmental factors that led to our skin colour becoming paler...
This may seem like a redundant point these days, but that facts of life as demonstrated by Darwin's research proves beyond doubt that it is only natural for a species to seek to acquire more land and resources for its descendants at the expense of other species. There is no higher law that says eg that old Jehovah won't give their ghosts lollipops if they do this. The caucasians of bygone eras were merely following instinct. The present day caucasians are acting in the opposite way by giving up land and capitulating.