why are some symbols banned but not others? Watch

This discussion is closed.
Bismarck
Badges: 13
Rep:
?
#21
Report 13 years ago
#21
(Original post by Alexdel)
That's just ridiculous....nazism was present in one country wheareas communism was widespread throughout the globe...
So why are people supposedly offended by what one regime did 60 years while not being offended by what is still happening in half a dozen countries?
0
SlyPie
Badges: 1
Rep:
?
#22
Report 13 years ago
#22
(Original post by Bismarck)
So why are people supposedly offended by what one regime did 60 years while not being offended by what is still happening in half a dozen countries?
Probably because of the extremities of Nazism--Holocaust.

Communism is just a more extreme version of socialism really, and even Western European countries practice socialism.
0
Bismarck
Badges: 13
Rep:
?
#23
Report 13 years ago
#23
(Original post by SlyPie)
Probably because of the extremities of Nazism--Holocaust.

Communism is just a more extreme version of socialism really, and even Western European countries practice socialism.
Communism has killed twenty million Russians, a hundred million Chinese, and a quarter of the population of Cambodia. How is this any better than Naziism?
0
Alexdel
Badges: 1
Rep:
?
#24
Report 13 years ago
#24
(Original post by Bismarck)
So why are people supposedly offended by what one regime did 60 years while not being offended by what is still happening in half a dozen countries?
Because communism is a theory not built on race superiority whereas nazism is...
0
Jamie
Badges: 18
#25
Report 13 years ago
#25
(Original post by Bismarck)
I think there are far more people in this forum who were harmed by communist regimes than by Nazi ones. In fact, I doubt a single person here was harmed by a Nazi regime.
i didn't say harmed, i said found offensive.

its quite academic anyway, my decision as to not allowing pro-nazi type symbolism onto here is not swayable.
Alexdel
Badges: 1
Rep:
?
#26
Report 13 years ago
#26
(Original post by Bismarck)
Communism is a theroy based on class superiority and the need to wipe out all opponents. What's the difference between wanting to kill someone because he's born Jewish or wanting to kill someone because he's born into the middle class?
Communism wants to kill middle-classes? Wtf...since when..
0
Bismarck
Badges: 13
Rep:
?
#27
Report 13 years ago
#27
(Original post by Jamie)
i didn't say harmed, i said found offensive.

its quite academic anyway, my decision as to not allowing pro-nazi type symbolism onto here is not swayable.
If I was to say that I find communism offensive, would you ban anyone with a hammer and sickle in their avatar?

(Original post by Alexdel)
Communism wants to kill middle-classes? Wtf...since when..
Please read Marx and Lenin and then come back.
0
Jamie
Badges: 18
#28
Report 13 years ago
#28
(Original post by Bismarck)
Communism is a theroy based on class superiority and the need to wipe out all opponents. What's the difference between wanting to kill someone because he's born Jewish or wanting to kill someone because he's born into the middle class?
What a complete twisting of the facts/issue

They didn't want to kill them because they were middle class, they wanted to kill those who used their wealth and power to sustain their wealth and power. In short they wanted to get rid of those that would allowtheir continued oppression in order to maintain domination over them.
Alexdel
Badges: 1
Rep:
?
#29
Report 13 years ago
#29
(Original post by Bismarck)
If I was to say that I find communism offensive, would you ban anyone with a hammer and sickle in their avatar?



Please read Marx and Lenin and then come back.
Lenin was the founder of communism? Wow...

And no marxs didnt advocate killing middle classes, as always your are just talking out of your behind now...
0
Jamie
Badges: 18
#30
Report 13 years ago
#30
(Original post by Bismarck)
If I was to say that I find communism offensive, would you ban anyone with a hammer and sickle in their avatar?
Well as the hammer and sickle is actually on this website widely, no. Plus the fact you have been on many months and only now bring it up.

You are really being obtuse on this.

Do you support the nazi symbolism being here, or are you just getitng behind the vienna crowd of arguing for arguments sake?
Bismarck
Badges: 13
Rep:
?
#31
Report 13 years ago
#31
(Original post by Jamie)
What a complete twisting of the facts/issue

They didn't want to kill them because they were middle class, they wanted to kill those who used their wealth and power to sustain their wealth and power. In short they wanted to get rid of those that would allowtheir continued oppression in order to maintain domination over them.
False. Anyone who wasn't on the "right" side of the class struggle was to be eliminated. Only members of the bourgeoisie class who were willing to take up the cause of class struggle on the side of the proletariat were to be untouched.

(Original post by Jamie)
Well as the hammer and sickle is actually on this website widely, no. Plus the fact you have been on many months and only now bring it up.
So if a few dozen people put swastikas in their avatars you would change your mind and allow Nazi symbols?

You are really being obtuse on this.

Do you support the nazi symbolism being here, or are you just getitng behind the vienna crowd of arguing for arguments sake?
I oppose inconsistency. Naziism is evil; communism is evil. Either ban symbols of both or of none.
0
Alexdel
Badges: 1
Rep:
?
#32
Report 13 years ago
#32
Anyone who in a debate cannot recognise that the US supplied Iraq in the 80's with chemical weapons or even intelligence on how to build such weapons even when presented with documents from the senate saying so is beyond redemption and debate is just a waste of time...of course I'm talking about our Shetlander here...Bismarck
0
Bismarck
Badges: 13
Rep:
?
#33
Report 13 years ago
#33
(Original post by Alexdel)
Lenin was the founder of communism? Wow...
Would you care to name the first person to impose communism on an entire nation?

And no marxs didnt advocate killing middle classes, as always your are just talking out of your behind now...
Says someone who has never read a word of Marx or Lenin in his life.
0
Alexdel
Badges: 1
Rep:
?
#34
Report 13 years ago
#34
(Original post by Bismarck)
Would you care to name the first person to impose communism on an entire nation?


Says someone who has never read a word of Marx or Lenin in his life.
So let me get this straight...a founder of an ideology is considered to be the founder only when he/she imposes it on a nation? :rolleyes: You are losing your plot now...The only person here who has clearly little idea on what communism actually is...well..it's yourself..
0
Jamie
Badges: 18
#35
Report 13 years ago
#35
(Original post by Bismarck)
False. Anyone who wasn't on the "right" side of the class struggle was to be eliminated. Only members of the bourgeoisie class who were willing to take up the cause of class struggle on the side of the proletariat were to be untouched.



So if a few dozen people put swastikas in their avatars you would change your mind and allow Nazi symbols?



I oppose inconsistency. Naziism is evil; communism is evil. Either ban symbols of both or of none.
False? what are you talking about. I said those that opposed the class struggle would be killed (which yes is way ott). That's exactly what you went and bloody said! 'if you aren't with us you're against us' - a turn of phrase mr Bush is very fond of using.

If a few dozen people put swastikas in their avatars then we would have a few dozen less members.

And balls to inconsistency. I've never proclaimed to be consistent in all things, I don't hide that im somewhat liberal and a bit PC in my modding. If you don't like that then I'm sure you can take it up with the bosses.

THe sickle and hammer is a widely used emblem on t shirts and things in a non-threatening manner. it isn't intrinsically associated THESE DAYS with anything more than just social equality and the rise of the working classes.
just like the che gevara logos/trademark.

the same can't be said for neo-nazi symbolism.
Bismarck
Badges: 13
Rep:
?
#36
Report 13 years ago
#36
(Original post by Jamie)
And balls to inconsistency. I've never proclaimed to be consistent in all things, I don't hide that im somewhat liberal and a bit PC in my modding. If you don't like that then I'm sure you can take it up with the bosses.
Are you modding for the benefit of everyone here or for yourself only? Because I can't think of any justification for banning things you find offensive while retaining things that others find offensive.

THe sickle and hammer is a widely used emblem on t shirts and things in a non-threatening manner. it isn't intrinsically associated THESE DAYS with anything more than just social equality and the rise of the working classes.
just like the che gevara logos/trademark.

the same can't be said for neo-nazi symbolism.
The symbol is also used by the regimes of North Korea and Cuba, and I (and most people here I hope) find the actions of these regimes highly offensive.
0
Alexdel
Badges: 1
Rep:
?
#37
Report 13 years ago
#37
(Original post by Bismarck)
Are you modding for the benefit of everyone here or for yourself only? Because I can't think of any justification for banning things you find offensive while retaining things that others find offensive.



The symbol is also used by the regimes of North Korea and Cuba, and I (and most people here I hope) find the actions of these regimes highly offensive.
I find the actions of the regime in the US offensive but you don't see me advocating banning the symbol of capitalism....(whatever that might be)
0
Bismarck
Badges: 13
Rep:
?
#38
Report 13 years ago
#38
(Original post by Alexdel)
I find the actions of the regime in the US offensive but you don't see me advocating banning the symbol of capitalism....(whatever that might be)
Which is why no symbols should be banned. Once you open the floodgates, you can't close them until you ban everything. If you don't want to see someone's avatar, put them on the ignore list.
0
Alexdel
Badges: 1
Rep:
?
#39
Report 13 years ago
#39
(Original post by Bismarck)
Which is why no symbols should be banned. Once you open the floodgates, you can't close them until you ban everything.
No a swastika should be banned since the majority of people find it repulsive...this is not the case when it comes to the sickle and hammer ...pretty simple really...
0
Eau
Badges: 15
#40
Report 13 years ago
#40
No, I don't find being proud of one's race is being racist. It's only when you look down on other races.

It's like being proud of winning a race, but not boasting about it.
X
new posts
Latest
My Feed

See more of what you like on
The Student Room

You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

Personalise

Brexit: Given the chance now, would you vote leave or remain?

Remain (1111)
79.07%
Leave (294)
20.93%

Watched Threads

View All
Latest
My Feed

See more of what you like on
The Student Room

You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

Personalise