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    (Original post by Alexdel)
    No a swastika should be banned since the majority of people find it repulsive...this is not the case when it comes to the sickle and hammer ...pretty simple really...
    So if the majority of the people here found gays offensive, it would be ok to ban them all?
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    So if the majority of the people here found gays offensive, it would be ok to ban them all?
    That's not the case though is it....you compare things out of context in an attempt to prove others wrong..find some other way of advocating that known neo-nazi symbols should not be banned...
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    THe sickle and hammer has no racist connotations, and isn't used ina racist manner.
    Like islam,communism itself never preached to kill and imprison all those who opposed, or to subject everyone to abject poverty. THat came though the maligne intentions of the leaders of the state and their crones.

    That said the hammer and sickle does strike a tender chord in those who suffered in the soviet state for many years like lithuania, czech republic etc.
    So despite murdering millions of innocent people, oppressing millions more, because the Soviet Union didnt bother to differentiate according to race, there symbol is acceptable?
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...1/prin-com.htm
    "Communism is the doctrine of the conditions of the liberation of the proletariat."
    dictatorshipof the proletariat. porletariat is basically the masses yes?
    so what is democracy if it isn't power in the hands of the people..?

    Communism is a lovely idea, but can never work because its human nature to want more for one self and our families. Hell its what drives us forward as a species.
    The Hammer and Sickle is directly representative of the policies of the communist Soviet Union. Why are such policies accepted as valid while those of National Socialism banned?
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    So despite murdering millions of innocent people, oppressing millions more, because the Soviet Union didnt bother to differentiate according to race there symbol is acceptable?
    It's not their symbol though is it?

    The hammer and sickle is a symbol used to represent communism and communist political parties.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    What a complete twisting of the facts/issue

    They didn't want to kill them because they were middle class, they wanted to kill those who used their wealth and power to sustain their wealth and power. In short they wanted to get rid of those that would allowtheir continued oppression in order to maintain domination over them.
    Haha, which is like justifying the murder of Jews because they were "inherently evil".
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    The Hammer and Sickle is directly representative of the policies of the communist Soviet Union. Why are such policies accepted as valid while those of National Socialism banned?
    World is a funny place like that vienna.
    i suggest you take this straight to the highest level.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    If a few dozen people put swastikas in their avatars then we would have a few dozen less members.

    And balls to inconsistency. I've never proclaimed to be consistent in all things, I don't hide that im somewhat liberal and a bit PC in my modding. If you don't like that then I'm sure you can take it up with the bosses.
    Is it Christmas already?
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    Haha, which is like justifying the murder of Jews because they were "inherently evil".
    i never justified murder. i said its completely over the top. But there is a large difference between those who kill those that oppose their plans because they want to maintain their relative opulent life style, and the killing of a race simply to divert attention away from other troubles/because they had something intrinsically against them.

    communism never said those that were born with more money were intrinsically evil now did it.


    And you really REALLY aught learn to differentiate the difference between soviet union, and communism. One is a political ideal, the other is a union of states founded upon a corruption of that ideal.
    Communism - like the quran, never killed anyone. its those that mis-interpreted or decided it had to bea violent struggle that saw to that.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    i never justified murder. i said its completely over the top. But there is a large difference between those who kill those that oppose their plans because they want to maintain their relative opulent life style, and the killing of a race simply to divert attention away from other troubles/because they had something intrinsically against them.

    communism never said those that were born with more money were intrinsically evil now did it.


    And you really REALLY aught learn to differentiate the difference between soviet union, and communism. One is a political ideal, the other is a union of states founded upon a corruption of that ideal.
    Communism - like the quran, never killed anyone. its those that mis-interpreted or decided it had to bea violent struggle that saw to that.
    Whats wrong with Hindu/Buddhist symbols?
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    World is a funny place like that vienna.
    i suggest you take this straight to the highest level.
    Deleting posts that criticise moderation? Thats not really on, is it. Its quite unfortunate that you disregard consistency and reject criticism, preferring to defer us to A, who handed you responsibility because he wouldnt have to deal with the day to day running of the forum.
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    Whats wrong with Hindu/Buddhist symbols?
    nothing. nor with pagan ones, nor with celtic ones.

    unfortunately the like sof the neo-nazis do like to take over certain symbols. As i said form the very start of this thread, and you clearly have paid woefully little attention to - its not that certain symbols always have racist undertones, but the context in which they are used.

    Heil simply means hail (i believe) but if i were to say Heil Vienna you would know immediately from the context i was implying you were a nazi.
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    Deleting posts that criticise moderation? Thats not really on, is it. Its quite unfortunate that you disregard consistency and reject criticism, preferring to defer us to a A, who handed you responsibility because he wouldnt have to deal with the day to day running of the forum.
    vienna your post simply made an accusation that iw as drunk. nothing constructive there.
    and by bosses i meant the global mods, pig and rich.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    vienna your post simply made an accusation that iw as drunk. nothing constructive there.
    and by bosses i meant the global mods, pig and rich.
    I merely asked a question as to your state of health, theres a significant difference. You were free to clarify as you felt necessary. Whatsmore it posed relevant questions to the topic of this thread.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    nothing. nor with pagan ones, nor with celtic ones.

    unfortunately the like sof the neo-nazis do like to take over certain symbols. As i said form the very start of this thread, and you clearly have paid woefully little attention to - its not that certain symbols always have racist undertones, but the context in which they are used.

    Heil simply means hail (i believe) but if i were to say Heil Vienna you would know immediately from the context i was implying you were a nazi.
    So swastikas are banned despite being Hindu and Buddhist symbols, yet the hammer and sickle remains because Soviet Communism hasn't "taken it over"
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    So swastikas are banned despite being Hindu and Buddhist symbols, yet the hammer and sickle remains because Soviet Communism hasn't "taken it over"
    Why don't you go have a chat with the wonderful folk at the european commission. they agree too.
    Life is full of inconsistencies. its what makes it interesting. just deal with it.
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    And do recall why this thread cropped up in the first place. A member put up a prominent aryan superiority picture (incidently it even retained the name of the neo-nazi website from whence it came).
    So what if it was once a celtic symbol. In that context and with those additions it was used to proclaim white superiority.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    Why don't you go have a chat with the wonderful folk at the european commission. they agree too.
    Life is full of inconsistencies. its what makes it interesting. just deal with it.
    So 'moderation is inconsistent, deal with it' is the message we should take away?
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    I merely asked a question as to your state of health, theres a significant difference. You were free to clarify as you felt necessary. Whatsmore it posed relevant questions to the topic of this thread.
    The question "have you been drinking?" was meant to infer that i was in some way incapable of modding, constructing arguments, or holding my own.

    Yes its very odd people don't find the hammer and sickle offensive considering its prominent position in the soviet symbolism. Yes its odd that 'paki' and '******' are offensive but 'brit' and 'scot' aren't.
    but that really is the way of the world.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    The question "have you been drinking?" was meant to infer that i was in some way incapable of modding, constructing arguments, or holding my own.
    Who ever would have thought such a thing!

    Yes its very odd people don't find the hammer and sickle offensive considering its prominent position in the soviet symbolism. Yes its odd that 'paki' and '******' are offensive but 'brit' and 'scot' aren't.
    but that really is the way of the world.
    I dont really see the point, so Ill try and quick start some kind of two way sober conversation. Whats the difference between National Socialism and Communism?
 
 
 
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