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twokeyalexe
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the actual symbol that is banned on this forum is the white pride world wide-on a celtic cross one.the swastika though it is a norse symbol but there is a symbol similiar to it in hinduism,my point is that LC01 has got banned for simple displaying a so-called ''racist'' symbol on his profile-it wasnt a swatika it was the white pride symbol-illegidly being proud to be white is RACIST-how pathetic is that?
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(Original post by twokeyalexe)
the actual symbol that is banned on this forum is the white pride world wide-on a celtic cross one.the swastika though it is a norse symbol but there is a symbol similiar to it in hinduism,my point is that LC01 has got banned for simple displaying a so-called ''racist'' symbol on his profile-it wasnt a swatika it was the white pride symbol-illegidly being proud to be white is RACIST-how pathetic is that?
A symbol intrinsically linked to neo-nazis and white supremesists these days.
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My school was my German-Swiss school, and the swastika was absolutely banned in all circumstances. Once we even had to ask for permission from the school just to allow us to have hand-made swastika arm-bands for a drama play.
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Why would people be proud just because the colour of their skin? Should we not be proud of our culture, humanitarian achievements etc?
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well were meant to feel guitly of being white colonialists and made to feel as if were evil for being white-its a show of defiance-yet some moderators think anyone proud to be white is a neo nazi,and also the celtic cross is a neo nazi symbol-only if you allow it to be
like when i saw a divali float with what i thought was a swastika-if people are not allowed to be proud to be what they are skincolour included-than it is stupid when there is black history month but no white history month- anti white racism should not be tolerated on this forum and inded being not allowed to be proud to be white is anti white racism seeings as other groups are allowed to be proud of their ethnic heritage
i still dont see how that symbol is allowed when millions of people died cus of what that symbol means death in the eyes of many who suffered underneath communism
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Black history month commemorates the black culture which has evolved out of the former slaves. Blacks suffered immensely 2 centuries ago and this is why we celebrate the fact that they retained and added to their culture.
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A symbol intrinsically linked to neo-nazis and white supremesists these days.
How is the hammer and sickle not intrinsically linked to Soviet Communism?
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Whats the difference between National Socialism and Communism?
Since nobody else bothered to tackle it, I will:

Not much. You can freely switch the terms "master race" and "universal class" and Marxist literature becomes Nazi, or vice versa. For example, the core belief was the need for this chosen collective to become self-aware, then to rise up and overthrow another race or class that was oppressing them. Once the violent revolution was over, a perfect, egalitarian society (modelled on some distant historic myth) could be established.

The differences didn't occur until the post war period - there there was no Nuremburg for the Communists. Furthermore, Hitler's victims made better films than Stalin's, meaning Naziism is embedded quite deep into western culture - as enemy we love to hate - whereas Stalinism can still get away with bieng an esoteric fashion for the cool and smart.
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Shall we ban the British flag because so many died under the British Empire? The same goes for the French, Spanish, US flag, etc...
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because the soviet union is gone. neo-nazis and white supremisists are alive and well it would seem.
AS had been said many times, the communist ideal for which the symbol stood was not inherently evil, but was taken advantage of. A symbol comprising of an old celtic icon plus 'white pride world wide' which was devised(or rather *******ised) by and subsequently become a leading icon of the white supremisist movement is intriniscally bad.
If like the swastika it was used in non-racist context - for instance on jewelry designs and motifs rather than tatoos and emblems on racist thugs and racist leaflets, then yes it is fine.

But anyway, i posted a link ealier to a report on the european commission having a similar dilemma about nazi and communist iconography and declaring that the communist iconography never stood for racism, dominance of a race, or even dominance of a people - but simply the empowering of the oppressed masses.
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Shall we ban the British flag because so many died under the British Empire? The same goes for the French, Spanish, US flag, etc...
I take it you'd support the Swastica symbolism to be unbanned then? As far as I know, the Celtic Cross wasn't appropriated by any mass-murdering regime, either, so I must assume you'd want those emblems to be unbanned, too.
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I take it you'd support the Swastica symbolism to be unbanned then? As far as I know, the Celtic Cross wasn't appropriated by any mass-murdering regime, either, so I must assume you'd want those emblems to be unbanned, too.
Yes I do.
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i dont believe LC01 uses it like a racist thug,i actually know the guy- he is far from violent - i dont think ive ever heard him shout or raise his voice in anger never mind him allegedly being a racist thug- are you persecuting him for using that symbol because ''racist thugs'' use it.
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I'll tell you what. all those who want these neo-nazi signs unbanned go off to about a student room and start a thread there.
But i warn you that whilst i have the power left to mod D&D there is going to be none of this filth in here.
I suggest you may appreciate the stormfront forum (from whence the index symbol came) where you will be welcomed with open arms. http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/black.asp
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(Original post by twokeyalexe)
i dont believe LC01 uses it like a racist thug,i actually know the guy- he is far from violent - i dont think ive ever heard him shout or raise his voice in anger never mind him allegedly being a racist thug- are you persecuting him for using that symbol because ''racist thugs'' use it.
I don't think he was banned just because of his chosen imagery. He is regularly abusive, in an irrational way.
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I suggest you may appreciate the stormfront forum (from whence the index symbol came) where you will be welcomed with open arms. http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/black.asp
Not everyone who seems to be sticking up for nazis here is a nazi, so it's a bit offensive to imply we're the sort who would be interested in a neo-nazi forum. For me, it was an ideal opportunity to attack the religion of commie clowns

P.S. ADL has a bit of a reputation for bias and inacurracy. You'd probably be clawed to death if you used them in a pro-Israel argument.
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Shall we ban the British flag because so many died under the British Empire? The same goes for the French, Spanish, US flag, etc...
Is the german flag banned?....
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Lets consider the original questions momentarily.

Why is there a distinction between certain types of symbol that may be emblewmatic of oppression?

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Why is it wrong to be "proud of being white" and not wrong to be proud of being a communist for example?



The answer lies inherently therein. When one is born; they are born with specific genes, and are of specific parentage. One has no choice on their skin colour or physical features.

Therefore to be "proud" of being white, of being tall, or of being rich or poor, or of any other genetic or lineage variable is logically inconsistent. We usually accosiate the word "proud" with something that we have achieved, something superior to the alternative.

Hence I conclude that to be "proud" of such things carries with it an inherent racist attitude, and whilst the mobility of self belonging may help an individual in the short term, it will do nothing to establish their identity in the long run.

To be a communist, a successful lawyer, or a general on the other hand may be something to be "proud" of. These are things that we choose, because we vehemently believe in it. We exercise our individual values through political beliefs such as communism. To fly the flag which is the bearer of your beliefs is honourable, and usually commendable.
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But anyway, i posted a link ealier to a report on the european commission having a similar dilemma about nazi and communist iconography and declaring that the communist iconography never stood for racism, dominance of a race, or even dominance of a people - but simply the empowering of the oppressed masses.
I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that much of the commission was made up of communist sympathizers.

And the communist party is banned in several countries in Europe, why should its symbol be allowed?
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Are you modding for the benefit of everyone here or for yourself only? Because I can't think of any justification for banning things you find offensive while retaining things that others find offensive.
a common theme with some moderators around here...
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