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Hey,
Iam starting IB next year and just wanted to know that does anyone here go to Dartford for boys?

Iam sort of looking for IB books for Biology, Chemistry, Philosophy at higher and english at standard. Does anyone have any recommendations? DO the students purchace the books or does the school?

I heard Geoff Neuss Chemistry is preety good, do the schools use it or should i buy it>?

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I knew someone that went d ford last year, and said it was like a boot camp. Not that I'm discouraging you or anything =P
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I don't go to Dartford, so I cannot help you in that regard. I'll refer you to a post I made a day or two ago concerning this topic.

Biology:
- IBID Press Biology Book, good foundation for the basis of your studies
- Allott's Study Guide, good supplement to IBID, and teacher notes

Chemistry:
- IBID Press Chemistry Book, reasonable basis for chemistry
- Raymond Chang's 'Chemistry', an excellent book - not so closely tied to IB Syllabus
- Neuss' Study Guide, once again good supplement, not an excellent primary source
- Chemistry in Context (Hill and Holman) - pretty good, I just happened to have it, but as a 4th edition, it covers everything in a well explained manner
- 'Organic Chemistry' (Atkins and Carey) - covers essential things like NMR and IR Spectroscopy to a greater extent - more helpful than others in that respect

English:
- I have an excellent book 'English for the IB Diploma' (Croft and Cross), which has in depth explanations on exam orals, world lit, poem and prose analysis, etc. Highly recommended.
- Nothing else really, read all your study books, and hope you have a good teacher. Our teacher is very proactive, resulting in us accumulating a small forests' worth of handouts.

The IBID books and Study Guides are strictly for the IB Diploma. In the end however, you can get any sizeable book from your library, concerning your subject, and with enough motivation and intiative, you can excel without purchasing any new/other books.
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I just can't stand some of the IBID books. Most of them are truly depressing. I mean... honestly, a bio textbook without colourful and inspiring pictures?! Everything is in the Allot study guide, and you'll get full marks if you memorise it enitrely. I recommend an inspiring (American) college textbook (by Mr Campbell et al) to complement Allot...
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Raven - thanks for that response

raven regarding chemistry,

"Chemistry:
- IBID Press Chemistry Book, reasonable basis for chemistry
- Raymond Chang's 'Chemistry', an excellent book - not so closely tied to IB Syllabus
- Neuss' Study Guide, once again good supplement, not an excellent primary source
- Chemistry in Context (Hill and Holman) - pretty good, I just happened to have it, but as a 4th edition, it covers everything in a well explained manner
- 'Organic Chemistry' (Atkins and Carey) - covers essential things like NMR and IR Spectroscopy to a greater extent - more helpful than others in that respect "

Regarding this, it seems that every book has some disadvantages some arent tied to the syllabus and some you find wouldnt be a good source instead of the Chemistry in Context thus i had a look at in amazon the 5th edittion and some pages inside. i might order that but before i do i want to make sure that does it cover all the IB syllabus? I mean does the 4th edition book that you have cover all the topics including the extra options for IB?

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LOL You know Raymonds Chang 8th edition quick sneak inside amazon doesnt seem bad at all and has preety good reviews, yet you said it doesnt closely tie to the syllabus? By what percent? Is the Chemistry in context still better then Chang?

Youve made me more confused!!!!!
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(Original post by sd_qmr)
LOL You know Raymonds Chang 8th edition quick sneak inside amazon doesnt seem bad at all and has preety good reviews, yet you said it doesnt closely tie to the syllabus? By what percent? Is the Chemistry in context still better then Chang?

Youve made me more confused!!!!!
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If you get Neuss, you won't need a book that's "closely tied to the syllabus." You'll need something to make chemistry fun and interesting. I used H&H, which is quite good, albeit a little chatty. (Loads of nice pictures!)
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hi i dont do ib.. but im staying on at sixth form.. just wanted to say i go to wilmington girls grammar hope u do gr8 in ur exams.. coming from a fellow grammar school student in de local area.. by the way did you know glenn rackley in y11 last year.. soz 4 bein off topic guys.. dis is rare lol! msg bak s d gmr
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Hey, sorry about the confusion. Chang is excellent. I would rate it higher than chemistry in context. Basically you're looking at two options - choose the IBID book, which is centred around each dot point of the syllabus (pretty handy) - however is riddled with mistakes and half baked explanations. Or you choose Chang, which does not conform as closely to the IB syllabus, but is likely to include all the information you may possibly need, explained in a very clear manner. Certainly, if you can do the chapter questions in Chang, you won't have a problem in IB. Forget Chemistry in Context, Chang is far better.
SO If I were to make your decision for you, I'd get Neuss and Chang. I think you can get through the whole course with those two. Organic Chem might be the only shortcoming - but for that just borrow any org. chem book from your library, and you'll be fine. Though I swear by Chang's book (I have the 5th edition, but I'm sure it is even better now), I would still reconsider shelling out any sum of money, before becoming acquainted with the subject.
Has this helped in clarification? Btw, Chang has a chemistry PhD from Yale.

EDIT:
I recommend an inspiring (American) college textbook (by Mr Campbell et al) to complement Allot...
Yes, I have his Fourth Edition Biology, very helpful, very colourful, far too expensive, glad I got it from the library.
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Thank you for clearing my confusion Raven - much appreciated!
SO chang and Neuss it is!!! Must hit the order button that ive been so anxious to do on amazon! Thanks for all your help regarding this

And prinzessin1988 Sorry but i am starting DGS this year, so i wouldnt know the guy you specified,

Thanks RAVEN once again
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I'm at Dartford and have just finished year 12. HL Philosophy is great, best subject ever.
The school pays for all essential books but revision guides need to be bought. They're quite hard to find (I think Amazon have some) and are very expensive (£20-30) The teachers will point you in the right direction if you ask. I doubt yu'll be able to find any for english, I couldn't!
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(Original post by raven)
EDIT: Yes, I have his Fourth Edition Biology, very helpful, very colourful, far too expensive, glad I got it from the library.
Yeah... I'm lived and raised in a socialist country, so we got to borrow it from school. :p: Campbell has co-written two different books though (I reckon there isn't really a great difference... some texts are even identical...)

Just checked amazon - it is very expensive. :eek: Second hand wouldn't be too bad. And yeah... you probably won't need the newest edition for IB anyway, as the syllabus isn't updated too often. (For example, "naked" DNA will probably be part of syllabus for the next six years or so... )
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hi SD my names andrew cole and i'll be going dARTFORD next year as well, starting in september did u go there from y7 or are u starting there in 6th form. im newbie for 6th form, doing the IB, were u there on thetaster days?
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Hey Spode
Yeah Philsophy seems really great, and mr phill is just a great teacher, i had him for my induction lesson he was really cool! I know the teachers will help me if i ask, i just wanted to order some books in the summer so i could do some background reading before the course, do you use any philiosophy text book in the school/ or any revision book you could recommend? That would be great!

Sadia
ps ive found a good english book on amazon - English for the International Baccalaureate Diploma
Steven Croft, Helen Croft, Elizabeth Druce -
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Hey Andy Cole -
I am a "Newbie" just like you, i wouldnt be able to start from y7 cause iam a girl :p: and its a boys school LOL! ALthough i wouldnt mind to... lol

Yeah i went to the induction days they were really fun werent they, what subjects are you doing next year, lol iam gettin to know ppl who are from/going even though i havent started the school yet lol


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Did Nicol ask you to read Sophie's World? It's worth reading as it's the entire history of Western philosophy and a gripping novel. In Yr 13 we'll be doing Plato's Republic and Hume's Enquiry. Background reading is not essential for IB, although it could be a useful advantage.
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YES he did LOL

Sophies world Spode, is truly amazing, and so intriguing, it never came to me before to question myself, Who am I? or Where am I? Its a very clever novel and indeed very gripping - Yes it was Mr Nicol not Philip - lol!

I havent been able to lay my hands off it, i read and analysed it within a week! lol -

Perhaps background reading may not be essential, i really dont have any other way of spending my summer!!! And i do enjoy reading!

By the way did you check that english book out?
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The english book looked interesting but not worth buying. The texts you study are decided out of a large selection by the school, so the revision guide probably wouldn't cover them all. I don't know what books you'll be doing next year because I do it higher level. It's very different to A level, I must have read about 10 texts already for it!
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Okay! Thanks
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I go to DGS too - it's not that much like a boot camp!

I do English SL, and like Spode said, you don't need to buy any of the text books, they're all supplied by the school. As for English revision guides, the school writes some really, really detailed ones - it has more information than you'll ever need - and they normally give a copy to anyone who's studying the text.

For the sciences, the school offers these revision guides:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...333278-2205431

For maths and sciences the IBID books are used, i don't do bio but i believe the school does have other books for it.

I don't think you need to buy any books right now, it'd be better if you wait until you actually start the course, and then ask your teachers for recommendations if you really do need them.
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