(Original post by *titanium*)
I find a few of you are bieng extremly offensive, calling a pro israelw ebsite mossad internet propaganda kit, calling us zionists the whole time, which is a very derogetery term, telling us our country should be wiped out, whar are you going to tell us next, you support hizbolahs mention of a second holocaust?
Sure people who support Israel will be biased just as those who support Palestine will be towards their side.
Yet i think a lot of the comments are not accpetable, i do not talk about you in this way, and trust me if i wanted to i could easily find something to counter any argument you have put down. If theres one thing about a debate is that theres always a counter argument.
Im not saying stop supporting Palestine, you have a right to do so if you wish, but im asking why are being so abusive towards us?
Hey man. I pretty much totally agree with that.
My personal opinion is kinda between a rock and a hard place.
I grew up as a baby in Israel, spent my childhood there, along with a girl called Natalie. Whilst not perfect it was a nice place to live.
In our early teens, neither of us could completely understand the hatred towards the palestinians and arabs; our naive solution was let everybody in and deal with everybody living together.
Age 16, I'm sitting at work. I casually check bbc news, and a pizza parlour in Israel has been bombed. I get a phone call about an hour later from Natalie, informing me that my then gf and a few others had been murdered in a suicide attack.
From that point on, shaking with anger I was very anti-palestinian anything, anywhere near Israel. Over about 7 years, I've softened a little and learned to try and think rationally about the whole thing (obviously I'm still bias)
I now understand some of the Palestinian grievances, the Israeli heavy handedness, etc. I know the Israeli's are hard with the arabs, but they have faced adversity for their whole existence.
Rightly or wrongly the jews moved to Israel after ww2. Rightly or wrongly many palestinians chose to leave, anticipating her destruction by the surrounding nations.
Israel survived and those people are displaced after being kicked out by the arab countries they fled too. That is very sad, and very regrettable, but I, and other Israelis born in my generation cannot be held accountable for this.
I don't want the big armies. I don't want the constant killing. I don't want to have to carry around a ****ing automatic weapon whenever I'm in Israel. I don't want palestinians bombed by our military. I don't want ****ing suicide bombers coming to destroy our youth.
The palestinian mandate and others still states that Israel and the jews are to be anihilated and wiped into the sea. I don't want that either.
All I want, and I believe I speak for *titanium* here too, is a little ****ing peace and quiet. I wanna go to my country, to the beach, the restaurants, the parks, without the constant threat of war.
Fair enough if you believe Israel was instated wrongly. Fair enough that you have grievances. But don't blame the current generation of Israelis. We do what we have to do to survive.
Yes, the military is WAY too heavy handed. Yes many people are killed without good reason. But all they want to do is protect the country they have worked so ****ing hard to generate. Without the military we'd probably be the richest country in the world economically.
So tell me now. What the hell have I done so wrong that my girlfriend should be bombed? You talk of Israeli agression, but there would be none if there was no threat.
YES I KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL when an attack chopper attacks your family and kills them all. I've ****ing been there. It's hell. It's totally unacceptable.
Please please, tell me a better way to protect our borders. Please don't tell me you want Israel destroyed.
Recognise my right to peace and a home. Recognise *titaniums*. We were born there. We didn't choose it. Now we just want to protect it. Just as you want Lebanon and every country you represent protected.
Don't tell me it'll all be ok if Israel succumbs to arab powers. That won't happen. This is a nightmare for all parties concerned. I just want it to be ****ing over, as does most of Israel.
ps. Lecter: you disgust me.
End of rant. Sorry, I don't know why I'm posting this here. I don't know why I'm posting it at all..oh well.
edit: wow, that was long. none of you are likely to bother responding anyway.