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    Well if it's good enough for the whole of the country(ucas) it's good enough for cambridge.
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    (Original post by Seer)
    That's pretty solid isn't it? And people WOULDN'T have to go crazy like they do with the UCAS tracker, as they could just say All decisions will be loaded onto the site between date xxx and date yyy
    The UCAS tracker must get so much traffic every day. Our £15 application costs must cover all that they're paying for their bandwith...
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    (Original post by lizzzy`)
    Definitely. Lobbying for wider access. What a way to start term (I'm being big on the optimism here), and also what a way to get the Admissions staff to hate you, not to mention the admin staff too for shaking the boat!
    .....saying that, when I was speaking with the staff of the CAO they also felt the admissions process was somewhat unfair. I guess abolishing the segregation of seniors and juniors at some of their colleges is as far as they are willing to go to break with traditions!!!!!
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    (Original post by Mentally Ill)
    .....saying that, when I was speaking with the staff of the CAO they also felt the admissions process was somewhat unfair. I guess abolishing the segregation of seniors and juniors at some of their colleges is as far as they are willing to go to break with traditions!!!!!
    Hmm, a lot of politicians are also lobbying for wider access. Somehow I get the feeling that the whole wider access thing is only applicable to candidates from deprived boroughs/areas, no history of HE, etc and doesn't really seem to benefit the admissions system as a whole; it is used to justify the admissions process.
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    (Original post by lizzzy`)
    Hmm, a lot of politicians are also lobbying for wider access. Somehow I get the feeling that the whole wider access thing is only applicable to candidates from deprived boroughs/areas, no history of HE, etc and doesn't really seem to benefit the admissions system as a whole; it is used to justify the admissions process.
    YEah, you are so right. The wider access stuff right now is to encourage more people from deprivied boroughs/areas etc to apply. It works....cos I applied. But it doesnt address the underlying problem which is the overall application process. If they fixed the core of the problem, many of these fe access initiatives etc would not be needed.

    I dont think very many politicians would lobby for total reform.........that it way too risky.
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    (Original post by Mentally Ill)
    YEah, you are so right. The wider access stuff right now is to encourage more people from deprivied boroughs/areas etc to apply. It works....cos I applied. But it doesnt address the underlying problem which is the overall application process. If they fixed the core of the problem, many of these fe access initiatives etc would not be needed.

    I dont think very many politicians would lobby for total reform.........that it way too risky.
    You wouldn't get total reform on it, no way. Blair has enough problems on his hands now with the uproar at top-up fees, and I doubt that Labour, or the Conservatives would be interested in rocking the boat that is the Admissions system of Oxbridge, because it would be very difficult to induce change and they would probably be wasting time.
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    (Original post by lizzzy`)
    You wouldn't get total reform on it, no way. Blair has enough problems on his hands now with the uproar at top-up fees, and I doubt that Labour, or the Conservatives would be interested in rocking the boat that is the Admissions system of Oxbridge, because it would be very difficult to induce change and they would probably be wasting time.
    Yes, I agree. Far too busy looking for WMD.
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    (Original post by Mentally Ill)
    Yes, I agree. Far too busy looking for WMD.
    Not even! Unfortunately the UK is tied onto the towbar of the truck that is the US, and is being dragged along for the ride.
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    (Original post by lizzzy`)
    Not even! Unfortunately the UK is tied onto the towbar of the truck that is the US, and is being dragged along for the ride.
    I wonder how much more or less fair the Harvard and Stanford admissions policy is......

    Anyway, in anticipation of this bloody letter I have more than doubled the amount of posts I have ever posted - in one day!!

    Should get out for some fresh air now........GoodLUCK for tomorrow/wednesday!
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    (Original post by Mentally Ill)
    I wonder how much more or less fair the Harvard and Stanford admissions policy is......

    Anyway, in anticipation of this bloody letter I have more than doubled the amount of posts I have ever posted - in one day!!

    Should get out for some fresh air now........GoodLUCK for tomorrow/wednesday!
    I have made...over 100 posts in one day. Meaning I should leave now!

    Good luck to you too for when the post arrives

    Ta-ta.
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    hey peeps,

    was just reading posts, has no-one applied to Kings? i was always under the impression it was a popular college?!? I'm applying to do music, soooo nervous about tmro!
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    (Original post by munchie_rox)
    hey peeps,

    was just reading posts, has no-one applied to Kings? i was always under the impression it was a popular college?!? I'm applying to do music, soooo nervous about tmro!
    It would appear not. Most people seem to have plumped for Clare.

    Good luck for tomorrow / whenever.
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    (Original post by lizzzy`)
    You wouldn't get total reform on it, no way. Blair has enough problems on his hands now with the uproar at top-up fees, and I doubt that Labour, or the Conservatives would be interested in rocking the boat that is the Admissions system of Oxbridge, because it would be very difficult to induce change and they would probably be wasting time.
    I think you will find that the boat is being rocked just a bit. The Govt have already asked Oxford and Cambridge to look at their procedures. It's also one of the attractions of 'top up fees' to the Govt as they will only be allowed if a university can demonstrate that their admissions are fair. Very few people have picked up on this but it's quite a big stick to beat both these unis if they do not modernise.

    As many of the post on here demonstrate many Oxbridge tutors are overusing the interview to look for very nebulous attributes such as teachability and potential. A system that benefits some who can perform well in interview but not the best way of selecting those who will perform well in an Oxbridge degree. Too many middle class blaggers get in when they shouldn't.
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    I think you will find that the boat is being rocked just a bit. The Govt have already asked Oxford and Cambridge to look at their procedures. It's also one of the attractions of 'top up fees' to the Govt as they will only be allowed if a university can demonstrate that their admissions are fair. Very few people have picked up on this but it's quite a big stick to beat both these unis if they do not modernise.

    As many of the post on here demonstrate many Oxbridge tutors are overusing the interview to look for very nebulous attributes such as teachability and potential. A system that benefits some who can perform well in interview but not the best way of selecting those who will perform well in an Oxbridge degree. Too many middle class blaggers get in when they shouldn't.
    I didn't pick up on the fact that they needed to demonstrate that admissions were fair with regard to top-up fees. What about the £4,000 bursary introduced by Alison Richards last month? Surely that would be a better bargaining chip for top-up fees by the Government?
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    Too many middle class blaggers get in when they shouldn't.
    I'm sorry - what?
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    and i wonder why some people accuse oxbridge applicants of snobbery.
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    (Original post by scanner)
    A system that benefits some who can perform well in interview but not the best way of selecting those who will perform well in an Oxbridge degree. Too many middle class blaggers get in when they shouldn't.
    If you look at the percentages of firsts and 2is achieved at Oxford and Cambridge, and at the dropout rates, I think you'll see that the admissions tutors have a fair idea of what type of person will perform well. They don't get it wrong all that often.
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    I don't think people just blag their way in:P
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    (Original post by MadNatSci)
    If you look at the percentages of firsts and 2is achieved at Oxford and Cambridge, and at the dropout rates, I think you'll see that the admissions tutors have a fair idea of what type of person will perform well. They don't get it wrong all that often.

    Not all that often, maybe, but just look at the kind of personal attention undergraduates get at Oxbridge which they don't receive at other unis ie weekly individual/pair/small group tutorials and supervisions. This system is tailor made for the individual, and if a student is having trouble grasping a concept, they can ask to discuss it during the supervision/tutorial. The system does push them extremely hard, and I know from accounts of friends at Oxbridge that they have their fair share of indifferent teaching, but students at these unis ceratinly do get more personal support than those elsewhere. Add to that the fact that come exam time tutors will arrange revision classes, and the fact that in some subjects ie ASNC, the exam questions aren't that hard and don't change that much from year to year because of the limited scope of the subject, and it's small wonder they tend to do well.
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    (Original post by scanner)
    I think you will find that the boat is being rocked just a bit. The Govt have already asked Oxford and Cambridge to look at their procedures. It's also one of the attractions of 'top up fees' to the Govt as they will only be allowed if a university can demonstrate that their admissions are fair. Very few people have picked up on this but it's quite a big stick to beat both these unis if they do not modernise.

    As many of the post on here demonstrate many Oxbridge tutors are overusing the interview to look for very nebulous attributes such as teachability and potential. A system that benefits some who can perform well in interview but not the best way of selecting those who will perform well in an Oxbridge degree. Too many middle class blaggers get in when they shouldn't.
    Scanner. Personally, I think OXford and Cambridge has the most fair addmisiion system. After all, at all other universities, whether you get an offer or not pretty much depends on what predictions your teatchers make and what you write in your personal statement. This means basicly that if you are lucky enough to get a teatcher whi makes a nice prediction you have a greater chance of being accepted. Now THATS objective! Interviews are much more fair in that way as it gives the tutors a chance to actually see the students they are going to teatch and determine if those predicted grades were actually deserved or if the student has just gotn them because he/she had a nice teatcher and learned how to suck up.
 
 
 

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