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Reply 1
Margerie Dawes
this doesn't apply to me but how is an oxbridge application affected (if at all) with the knowledge that the applicant is registered by the school as 'gifted'. Also is this information automatically disclosed to the college.


Not at all. If it did, every school would register all its Oxbridge candidates as such. It might get mentioned in your reference, but I doubt it would really mean much.
Reply 2
I don't know if you can officially register as gifted but as has been mentioned you do need to be fairly gifted not only to apply and get in. Perhaps at some schools it might make a difference (ie at a top private school there are 50 oxbridge applicants but you really feel one should get in over the others) but to be honest I can't see it making that much difference
I am not sure whether this matters or not, isn't everyone who applies to and gets into Cambridge gifted?
Are you referring to being a member of NAGTY?
I think I heard of it, what does it stand for?
National Academy of Gifted and Talented Youth www.nagty.ac.uk
Reply 7
Don't something like 10% of students get classed as Gifted and Talented though - and this is by school so who makes that 10% can vary a lot from place to place.

Oxbridge likes to think that they're taking the top 2% or so of the country. Rough figure and probably a pipe dream, but anyway it really means that being classed as G&T won't mean that much in itself.
Reply 8
Hey Kaiser Mole!

What's 'Additional Further Maths' when it's at home..? (or anywhere else for that matter)
Reply 9
Humble_Pi
Hey Kaiser Mole!

What's 'Additional Further Maths' when it's at home..? (or anywhere else for that matter)


It's what people get for doing 18 modules of maths instead of a mere 12 modules. :eek: :rolleyes:
Reply 10
What kind of hell must that last Stats module be like..? I even hated S1... :hmmmm:
Reply 11
i wasn't classed as G&T for anything. my best friend was though, because she was a really good artist. she got free trips and other random things to go to. we ended up with the same mark in Art alevel. She's now at what would be considered a far less prestigious uni as well.

my point? for students who have potential that's not being channelled, things like G&T can be helpful. but in terms of oxbridge applications, it doesn't mean too much. the interviewers will see whether you are intelligent or not. they don't need your name on a register for that
Reply 12
Humble_Pi
What kind of hell must that last Stats module be like..? I even hated S1... :hmmmm:


S4 (the most advanced I did) was quite good fun, surprisingly. Admittedly S3 was terrible.
I wouldn't think it would make any difference whatsoever. For a start, the students my college classes as G&T are the ones they think should apply to Oxbridge anyway, so surely almost all Oxbridge candidates are going to be in G&T (if their school/college actually has it). Also, they decided who to put into ours almost purely on GCSE results, which the universities will see for themselves anyway. They don't seem to have sky high standards at my college - my GCSEs would get a 6.8 score based on Cambridge's system which isn't exactly wildly impressive!!

The whole thing seems a bit silly to me. But if your school then organises useful events for you (ours set up a day of lectures with this guy, quite thought provoking) *then* it could be worth mentioning to show you've voluntarily pursued extra study
What I remember from somewhere is that being in NAGTY can be an advantage only IF one is quite active with NAGTY , otherwise it is just having your name on a certificate which is not entirely impressive.

Oh and Additional FM is just additional units, organising was/is a complete mess as I am doing it myself, and I wasn't really sure what modules were still made available by Edexcel, and apparently they only have 17 units nowadays, one shy of three a levels, which is a bit nasty. So unless something crops up it is just 3 additional units, even though I am likely to do the other 2 aswell, just finished M3 but after doing the exam style paper alright, today I had an absolute mare on the Review exercise and especially Horizontal circular motion in the form of a cone.
Reply 15
In our school the gifted and talented scheme seems to count for very little after year 11. This is because in year 11 you are given tests in every subject area and must get above gifted and talented score in 5 of them to be considered gifted ad talented. So only being good at maths and science I am not a gifted and talented student. But as I am gifted and talented at mths and science I could get as good a level graes in the sciences as someone who is actually gifted and talented. What a crappy scheme. Hope that makes sense.

Oh and Additional FM is just additional units, organising was/is a complete mess as I am doing it myself, and I wasn't really sure what modules were still made available by Edexcel, and apparently they only have 17 units nowadays, one shy of three a levels, which is a bit nasty. So unless something crops up it is just 3 additional units, even though I am likely to do the other 2 aswell, just finished M3 but after doing the exam style paper alright, today I had an absolute mare on the Review exercise and especially Horizontal circular motion in the form of a cone.


I am doing all units except S3, does that entitle me to have an Additional Further Maths AS level? Can all my hard modules make it up to ensure I get As for Maths and F.Maths?
Reply 16
ssmoose


I am doing all units except S3, does that entitle me to have an Additional Further Maths AS level? Can all my hard modules make it up to ensure I get As for Maths and F.Maths?


How many units in total are you doing?
Reply 17
Here's how it works (as far as I understand - this applies to Edexcel maths for sure, and I think the other exam boards are the same).

You are first given the highest grade possible at A-level, but using the smallest amount of UMS points, subject to the following regulations:

P1, P2, P3 (or C1, C2, C3) MUST be present and at least one applied module at higher level must be included (e.g. D2, S2, M2 or above).

This usually means that your worst applied module marks go with your high P1, P2, P3 marks to make up an as-low-as-possible A for A-level maths. 480 / 600 UMS is an A grade, and the computer will automatically get as close to this boundary as possible, with the above provisors.

For A-level further, another 6 modules are required:

P4 and P5 (or FP1 and FP2 OR FP3) are required, along with at least 2 applied modules at higher level (M2, etc...) or at least 1 applied module at higher level plus P6 / FP2 or FP3.

This usually means that your best applied module marks go with your low P4, P5, P6 marks to make up a high-as-possible A for A-level further.

If you have 6 modules left over (only 6 - no fewer will do) then you can get a qualification in Additional Further Maths, but it doesn't count as an A-level, and you can't get points from it or have it included in offers. I think it's more gloating rights.

The upshot of this is that if you're taking F. Maths A2, you can be almost entirely sure of an A grade at A2 maths, as that's the computer's priority. I think this would even go as far as getting you an A at Maths A2 and an E at F. Maths A2, but I'm not entirely certain.
yeah they try to give you the lowest A for normal maths, then give you a further maths mark, unless you ask.
Reply 19
KAISER_MOLE
What I remember from somewhere is that being in NAGTY can be an advantage only IF one is quite active with NAGTY , otherwise it is just having your name on a certificate which is not entirely impressive.

whats the point in being in anything if all you have is a certificate with your name on it? i was nw regional councillor for a year...