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rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

A little argument I put together (which only works if you take this definition completely literally with no room for error or discretion)

1. A racist believed that race can account for differences in human character or ability.

2. Some races have darker skins than others.

3. Skin colour does, in some very small respect, determine one's ABILITY to tolerate the sun, and one's character when confronted with a hot day.

4. Hence, race does account for ability and character (albeit in some very minute way).

5. Hence, believing in pigmentation and biology makes you racist?
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The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
The definition is not just saying different races have heightened abilities in different areas depending on their race specific physiology (e.g. some African muscle types have a higher number of muscle fibres, hence giving them more explosive power, giving an advantage in some sports).

It's also saying that one race perceives themselves to be superior based on prejudice which is independent of evidence.
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most black ppl think they are the superior race for basketball...i agree with them...
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Let's just take the definition as it is instead of adding things on (as you have done).

If we say race can account for ability and character, then we are invariably saying a race can be superior to another. Now, the definition doesn't state whether this superiority is isolated in one way or whether we are talking about 'general' superiority. Either way, the biology example leads us to to say races can be superior to one another.
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"and that a particular race is superior to others. "

Your argument does not take this definition into account.

And it's a tenuous link at best, Seer.
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most black ppl think they are the superior race for basketball...i agree with them...
The fact that a high number of black people are in the sport, relative to white counterparts would suggest their physiology is more suited to the sport however, you have to consider social factors.

For example, the England cricket team has no black players, because it's generally a sport exclusive to the white middle classes.
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Let's just take the definition as it is instead of adding things on (as you have done).

If we say race can account for ability and character, then we are invariably saying a race can be superior to another. Now, the definition doesn't state whether this superiority is isolated in one way or whether we are talking about 'general' superiority. Either way, the biology example leads us to to say races can be superior to one another.
Yes, but it can account for one race being superior in one field, and another being superior in another.

Your definition accounts only for one race being superior at absolutely everything.
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most black ppl think they are the superior race for basketball...i agree with them...
You can't really try to link sports to a particar religon or race, it's more to do with the people who play it and physical ability if a white person tried hard enough he would become just as good. Culture does however play a massive role obviously asians are said to be better at cricket but in countries like pakistan it's all they play, and often they cannot afford anything else or just prefer not to play anything else..
There's many things like this for example the brzilian children at football i mean english football i.e. soccer they're amazing at it but they play all day the're told its the only way to be rich
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Yes, but it can account for one race being superior in one field, and another being superior in another.

Your definition accounts only for one race being superior at absolutely everything.
I've gotta agree with her there, spot on!!! But as was said it's to do with biolog and the geneology passed down from predessesors they can't exactly break the chain unless they don't have children but it all varies!!!
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You can't really try to link sports to a particar religon or race, it's more to do with the people who play it and physical ability if a white person tried hard enough he would become just as good.
Not true, in my opinion.

Physiologically speaking, races can be superior at certain types of sport.

Ethiopian/Kenyan muscle types seem to be suited to endurance events. Western African muscle type seems to be suited to sprint events. Swimming events seem to be suited to European muscle types.
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"and that a particular race is superior to others. "

Your argument does not take this definition into account.

And it's a tenuous link at best, Seer.
If we say making a distinction between ability and character is possible we are invariably saying making a distinction between superiority is possible.

The main point of my argument is to suggest that, the word 'unjustfied' or 'false' should be used.

Let us say races X and Y start off equal.

We discover race X has a greater ability in tolerating the sun than race Y.

This necessarily makes race X superior, therefore this fair assertion is racist.

I think it depends on whether this superiority is isolated in a specific way, or we are talking about 'general' superiority. But, actually, regardless of the size of definition of 'superiority', a distinction in ability logically involves a distinction in superiority.
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Not true, in my opinion.

Physiologically speaking, races can be superior at certain types of sport.

Ethiopian/Kenyan muscle types seem to be suited to endurance events. Western African muscle type seems to be suited to sprint events. Swimming events seem to be suited to European muscle types.
But how can you say thats deffinent, they may not train their bodies in the same way you've gotta admit that the way a body is built will vary the performance. Maybe britain focus's more on swimming than anything else, maybe the ppl don't push themselves as hard as the opposition, mybe it's because of the fact their muscles were different....who's to say
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But how can you say thats deffinent, they may not train their bodies in the same way you've gotta admit that the way a body is built will vary the performance. Maybe britain focus's more on swimming than anything else, maybe the ppl don't push themselves as hard as the opposition, mybe it's because of the fact their muscles were different....who's to say
That's irrelevant really, the fact is that races can be innately more suited to certain activities than others.
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If we say making a distinction between ability and character is possible we are invariably saying making a distinction between superiority is possible.

The main point of my argument is to suggest that, the word 'unjustfied' or 'false' should be used.

Let us say races X and Y start off equal.

We discover race X has a greater ability in tolerating the sun than race Y.

This necessarily makes race X superior, therefore this fair assertion is racist.

I think it depends on whether this superiority is isolated in a specific way, or we are talking about 'general' superiority. But, actually, regardless of the size of definition of 'superiority', a distinction in ability logically involves a distinction in superiority.
You're definition of racism, and your noted physiological variation between races doesn’t match.

We are adapted for the conditions we live in. African physiology copes better in Africa, European physiology copes better in Europe. You can't define one as superior, they are simply different (as conditions necessitate).
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That's irrelevant really, the fact is that races can be innately more suited to certain activities than others.
Fair enough but are you saying race doesnt link to culture or parents genes????
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But how can you say thats deffinent, they may not train their bodies in the same way you've gotta admit that the way a body is built will vary the performance. Maybe britain focus's more on swimming than anything else, maybe the ppl don't push themselves as hard as the opposition, mybe it's because of the fact their muscles were different....who's to say
It's been biologically shown that West African muscle type contains more muscle fibres which allows for explosive power, suiting it to sprint events.

I see your point though, social factors need to be considered, as I explained in my point about cricket earlier.
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We are adapted for the conditions we live in. African physiology copes better in Africa, European physiology copes better in Europe. You can't define one as superior, they are simply different (as conditions necessitate).
Correct, thats why you can see whether that particular race of people should have been living there compared tot ehir skin colour, i.e. White Austrilians, light Brown people in India (forgot which type of people), and some Jews, which according to their skin colour suggests that they either werent "designed" to live in the Middle East in teh first Place, or that they were driven away and their skin colour changed, (will take a lot of years...)
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You're definition of racism, and your noted physiological variation between races doesn’t match.

We are adapted for the conditions we live in. African physiology copes better in Africa, European physiology copes better in Europe. You can't define one as superior, they are simply different (as conditions necessitate).
Thats v true, apparent (im not saying its right) biologists believe we all started off brown/dark skinned however due do climate and certain heating and cooling reactions within the skin it's believe we've changed to white to suit our previous condition however many people know white people are more prone to sun burn than darker skinned ppl
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You're definition of racism, and your noted physiological variation between races doesn’t match.

We are adapted for the conditions we live in. African physiology copes better in Africa, European physiology copes better in Europe. You can't define one as superior, they are simply different (as conditions necessitate).
My main reason for making this argument is to show the definition of stupid. The logical example you've quoted explains this adequately, there's no need to fuss over the pigmentation argument because the main point is not about pigmentation, it's that some perfectly innocent, logical, harmless truth can be deemed racist.
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My main reason for making this argument is to show the definition of stupid. The logical example you've quoted explains this adequately, there's no need to fuss over the pigmentation argument because the main point is not about pigmentation, it's that some perfectly innocent, logical, harmless truth can be deemed racist.
I agree (I've reiterated this in earlier posts).

My point is, your original quote of a racism definition doesn't account for superiority in different fields by different races, only universal superiority.
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