Serbia exit polls - Milosevic in Parliament - WTF??

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Can you believe this?

From cnn.com:

BELGRADE, Serbia- Monte***** (CNN) -- Despite being imprisoned on international war crimes charges, former Serb president Slobodan Milosevic was projected to win a parliamentary seat in the country's elections.

Milosevic is on trial at The Hague, charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes in the Balkans in the 1990s. He maintains he is innocent.

Also expected to win a seat is Vojislav Seselj, Serbia's former paramilitary commander who is also facing a war crimes tribunal.

He is accused of a overseeing the murder of thousands in Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia.

He has dismissed the charges against him as "fake."

The support for Milosevic and Seselj, and their Serbian Radical Party, after years of wars that have devastated the region, is seen by some observers as a sign of growing extreme nationalism in Serbia.

Based on exit polls from 600 polling stations selected to give a representative social demographic, the Center for Free Elections and Democracy (CESID) Sunday night posted results in Serbian elections showing the Serbian Radical Party out in front, with 27.5 percent of the vote.

The next closest vote winner was the Democratic Republic Party of Serbia (DSS), with 17.4 percent, followed by the Democratic Party (DS), with 12.7 percent, G17 -- Experts Party, with 11.4 percent, Serbian Renewal Movement (SPO), with 8.2 percent and Socialist Party (SPS) 7.6 percent.

The margin of error was less than plus-or-minus 0.5 percentage points.

Even if they win as expected, Milosevic and Seselj would be unable to serve while in prison. It is unclear what would happen with their parliamentary seats.

The Radical party supports expanding Serbia's borders at the expense of its neighbors.


Milosevic in Parliament???

So much for the virtues of democracy...
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Milosevic in Parliament???

So much for the virtues of democracy...
And so much for the lives that haver been lost in vain.
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And so much for the lives that haver been lost in vain.
yup...thats the way the world goes round! and how come you havent responded to my being rich post! *gets mad*
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wow. seems lots of serbians are morons!
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Can you believe this?

From cnn.com:

BELGRADE, Serbia- Monte***** (CNN) -- Despite being imprisoned on international war crimes charges, former Serb president Slobodan Milosevic was projected to win a parliamentary seat in the country's elections.

Milosevic is on trial at The Hague, charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes in the Balkans in the 1990s. He maintains he is innocent.

Also expected to win a seat is Vojislav Seselj, Serbia's former paramilitary commander who is also facing a war crimes tribunal.

He is accused of a overseeing the murder of thousands in Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia.

He has dismissed the charges against him as "fake."

The support for Milosevic and Seselj, and their Serbian Radical Party, after years of wars that have devastated the region, is seen by some observers as a sign of growing extreme nationalism in Serbia.

Based on exit polls from 600 polling stations selected to give a representative social demographic, the Center for Free Elections and Democracy (CESID) Sunday night posted results in Serbian elections showing the Serbian Radical Party out in front, with 27.5 percent of the vote.

The next closest vote winner was the Democratic Republic Party of Serbia (DSS), with 17.4 percent, followed by the Democratic Party (DS), with 12.7 percent, G17 -- Experts Party, with 11.4 percent, Serbian Renewal Movement (SPO), with 8.2 percent and Socialist Party (SPS) 7.6 percent.

The margin of error was less than plus-or-minus 0.5 percentage points.

Even if they win as expected, Milosevic and Seselj would be unable to serve while in prison. It is unclear what would happen with their parliamentary seats.

The Radical party supports expanding Serbia's borders at the expense of its neighbors.


Milosevic in Parliament???

So much for the virtues of democracy...
but it is democracy. if the people want him, the people should have him (obviously if he isn't imprisoned).
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but it is democracy. if the people want him, the people should have him (obviously if he isn't imprisoned).
But that would mean that the Americans invaded Serbia wrongly. If the people wanted Milo. in power then he wouldnt be considered a dictator...and the Americans would not have teh right to remove him.
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but it is democracy. if the people want him, the people should have him (obviously if he isn't imprisoned).
in this case they shouldnt be allowed to have him even if they vote for him. the majority isnt always right.
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in this case they shouldnt be allowed to have him even if they vote for him. the majority isnt always right.
then what's the point of the democracy if what you're saying is there should be a minority rule?
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in this case they shouldnt be allowed to have him even if they vote for him. the majority isnt always right.
Isn't that what the conservatives were wanting? The proportional representation system
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but it is democracy. if the people want him, the people should have him (obviously if he isn't imprisoned).
Then again, Hitler came to power within a democratic (ish) system. In the 1932 General Election, the NSDAP was the strongest party...
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Then again, Hitler came to power within a democratic (ish) system. In the 1932 General Election, the NSDAP was the strongest party...
Yes, but Hitler held the power under a dictator's orders. So that meant no re elections.
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Then again, Hitler came to power within a democratic (ish) system. In the 1932 General Election, the NSDAP was the strongest party...
and he deserved to. but then he took away the democratic power and installed a dictatorship (and other worse things), and that's why he deserved to be deposed.
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and he deserved to. but then he took away the democratic power and installed a dictatorship (and other worse things), and that's why he deserved to be deposed.
doesnt the fact that milosevic has already screwed his country once mean he should be excluded? i think so...
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doesnt the fact that milosevic has already screwed his country once mean he should be excluded? i think so...
he didn't screw his country, he screwed his neighbours. that's why all the nationalists want to elect him.
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he didn't screw his country, he screwed his neighbours. that's why all the nationalists want to elect him.
what about all the kosovans living in serbia beforehand? anyway, if you recall he was removed after a popular protest outside his presidential buildings (iirc)
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doesnt the fact that milosevic has already screwed his country once mean he should be excluded? i think so...
i think so also!
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what about all the kosovans living in serbia beforehand? anyway, if you recall he was removed after a popular protest outside his presidential buildings (iirc)
so people can't change their minds? do you remember crowds of people cheering tony blair in 1997?
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Erratum: Contrary to what cnn.com says, Milosevic is not in the Serbian Radical Party, but in the Socialist Party.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3351839.stm
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INTERNATIONAL LAW

What do you think about it in the light of what happened tonight?

Milosevic lives in a cell that's much better than your University/Boarding School bedroom.
Now, he has been elected to Parliament.

Isn't that a bit ridiculous?

Should he not have been executed?

If Saddam is judged by a UN body, do you think the same could happen?
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Should he not have been executed?
not before he has been tried. and i don't think they can execute him, because he is in an international court, and most nations do not recognise the death penalty
If Saddam is judged by a UN body, do you think the same could happen?
he won't be judged. the people of iraq will try him.
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