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    'it depends what subject you do' pfttt, don't be so stupid.
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    (Original post by twiga)
    It just seemed to be getting a bit nasty that's all.
    I didn't mean for it to seem that way. I just disagree that all subjects are the same difficulty; General Studies and ICT are subjects I've studied that I think are of a much lower standard than my other subjects (Maths, F Maths, Biology).
    My overuse of the quote tags is probably a side effect of my overuse of bullets due to only seven 'essays' in the past two years (general studies and bio synoptic).
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    (Original post by Gaz031)
    I didn't mean for it to seem that way. I just disagree that all subjects are the same difficulty; General Studies and ICT are subjects I've studied that I think are of a much lower standard than my other subjects (Maths, F Maths, Biology).
    My overuse of the quote tags is probably a side effect of my overuse of bullets due to only seven 'essays' in the past two years (general studies and bio synoptic).
    i used to think general studies was easy until i got an E at AS (despite getting 2 marks off an A in my mocks) In all my other exams i had got considerably higher grades but had failed miserably in general studies. It cannot possibly be as easy as everyone makes out. The Grammar School i went to, the average AS grade for General studies was C/D

    Mind you we did have OCR- are they known for being harsh markers?
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    (Original post by Gaz031)
    Every opinion is valid in the sense that the person believes it to be true; whether others agree is a different matter entirely (wouldn't life be boring if everyone agreed?).

    I can't stand political correctness either. Are you more of a left wing socialist?

    Whether one finds a subject easy or not is subjective; whether a subject actually is actually (generally) easy or not is arguably less so.
    Generally those getting a grade X in an easier subject are of lower intelligence than those getting grade X in a harder subject. Don't you find it strange that the less intelligent gravitate to the easier subjects? Is there really smoke without fire in this case?
    Yep it would, then we couldn't have debates like this But anyway, what I'm saying is that when people criticise subjects they've never even studied for being 'easy', I find it quite hard to respect their opinion because they have no experience to back it up and I don't see how you can judge a subject you know nothing about.

    Lol no, I'm actually, surprisingly to a lot of people on :tsr: pretty right wing in my views on most topcis, but education is a tricky one because I don't really agree with Conservative views, but there's no other party I agree with either.

    I agree that the less intelligent tend to go for subjects like media studies, but I don't think it's because these subjects are genuinely easier, I think it's because of misguided stereotypes. If a student with mostly Cs at GCSE is told by everyone that media studies is easier than maths, they're far more likley to take the former. It's sad really because I believe that to be a key reason for the low take up of subjects like maths, sciences and languages which have a reputation for being hard.
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    (Original post by twiga)
    Why don't you just leave her alone? It's not the time to be discussing things like this...
    Thanks Twiga But actually Gaz031 is a lot nicer than most people when they debate things like this!
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    (Original post by !Laxy!)
    They appear easier now because you can retake individual modules as many times as you wish and more people are taking doss/easy subjects such as Media, Film, etc *Waits for all the people doing those subjects to disagree*.

    thats so totally not true!

    i did media and film because i wanna work in the film industry....and they are based on 3000 words essays which are pratically impossible to pass on, unseen texts, so u have no idea what ur gunna be writing about, and praticals.

    i presonally found media very very hard. and was better at other subjects.

    so saying that the are easy is compelty wrong....for a average C grade getter in my other subjects, i found it so hard just to get an E! (and i KNOW im not the only one....everyone in my media group had to work so hard to get A's...really hard)
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    (Original post by Cazzi_Bear)
    thats so totally not true!

    i did media and film because i wanna work in the film industry....and they are based on 3000 words essays which are pratically impossible to pass on, unseen texts, so u have no idea what ur gunna be writing about, and praticals.

    i presonally found media very very hard. and was better at other subjects.

    so saying that the are easy is compelty wrong....for a average C grade getter in my other subjects, i found it so hard just to get an E! (and i KNOW im not the only one....everyone in my media group had to work so hard to get A's...really hard)
    I know how hard I had to work just to get a B at GCSE, so there's no way I'd take the A-level! Most people in my GCSE class (about 20 of us) got Ds and below, a few people got Cs, I got a B and 2 people got As. Some of the traditional subjects had far better results in comparison.
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    (Original post by Cellardore)
    i used to think general studies was easy until i got an E at AS (despite getting 2 marks off an A in my mocks) In all my other exams i had got considerably higher grades but had failed miserably in general studies. It cannot possibly be as easy as everyone makes out. The Grammar School i went to, the average AS grade for General studies was C/D
    You have somewhat of a point (I myself am unsure of what grade I'll receive); the exams and results are often somewhat unpredictable. However, the fact remains that the specifications (AQA at least) never have any real content to learn and students don't actually much at all; meaning at least some of the reputation is justified.
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    what I'm saying is that when people criticise subjects they've never even studied for being 'easy', I find it quite hard to respect their opinion because they have no experience to back it up and I don't see how you can judge a subject you know nothing about.
    I can see your point but surely it's difficult to argue that media studies and film studies are academic disciplines.

    Lol no, I'm actually, surprisingly to a lot of people on :tsr: pretty right wing in my views on most topcis, but education is a tricky one because I don't really agree with Conservative views, but there's no other party I agree with either.
    Hmm interesting. I'm fairly right wing myself but the conservatives are really in a mess at the minute; why on earth is Michael Howard staying so long? I liked the guy but when you announce you're going to quit then you quit as soon as possible to allow the next leader to gather as much momentum as possible before any big decisions such as a referendum or new election.

    I agree that the less intelligent tend to go for subjects like media studies, but I don't think it's because these subjects are genuinely easier, I think it's because of misguided stereotypes. If a student with mostly Cs at GCSE is told by everyone that media studies is easier than maths, they're far more likley to take the former. It's sad really because I believe that to be a key reason for the low take up of subjects like maths, sciences and languages which have a reputation for being hard.
    That's one possible explanation but how would you explain the study showing that pupils with the same set of grades from GCSE achieve better in supposed easier A-Levels than harder ones such as Languages, Sciences and Mathematics?
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    (Original post by Gaz031)
    I didn't mean for it to seem that way. I just disagree that all subjects are the same difficulty; General Studies and ICT are subjects I've studied that I think are of a much lower standard than my other subjects (Maths, F Maths, Biology).
    My overuse of the quote tags is probably a side effect of my overuse of bullets due to only seven 'essays' in the past two years (general studies and bio synoptic).
    I'm heavily reliant on bullet points... Who would have thought I got an A* for English Language at GCSE, I'm ashamed of what my English skills have diminished to
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    (Original post by Cellardore)
    i used to think general studies was easy until i got an E at AS (despite getting 2 marks off an A in my mocks) In all my other exams i had got considerably higher grades but had failed miserably in general studies. It cannot possibly be as easy as everyone makes out. The Grammar School i went to, the average AS grade for General studies was C/D

    Mind you we did have OCR- are they known for being harsh markers?

    I don't think so... Our school did OCR General Studies, and nearly everyone did very well. My Further Maths set, for example, didn't even do any lessons in General Studies, but we took the exam anyway. I got an A at AS, without any study at all. And 100% in the scientific paper! That's clearly much too easy.
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    (Original post by Cellardore)
    i used to think general studies was easy until i got an E at AS (despite getting 2 marks off an A in my mocks) In all my other exams i had got considerably higher grades but had failed miserably in general studies. It cannot possibly be as easy as everyone makes out. The Grammar School i went to, the average AS grade for General studies was C/D

    Mind you we did have OCR- are they known for being harsh markers?
    Nope, EDEXCEL are the worst!
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    (Original post by Gaz031)
    I can see your point but surely it's difficult to argue that media studies and film studies are academic disciplines.
    I don't see why. There may be some practical elements like watching films or designing a newspaper, but the rest is writing essays, which surely can only be classed as academic. In any case, not all A-levels are academic, but you never hear of art or music being called 'easy'. Just because they may be slightly less academic than other subjects doesn't mean they're easier.

    (Original post by Gaz031)
    Hmm interesting. I'm fairly right wing myself but the conservatives are really in a mess at the minute; why on earth is Michael Howard staying so long? I liked the guy but when you announce you're going to quit then you quit as soon as possible to allow the next leader to gather as much momentum as possible before any big decisions such as a referendum or new election.
    Yep, maybe when a new leader finally does get in the party will have a chance of getting rid of Labour.

    (Original post by Gaz031)
    That's one possible explanation but how would you explain the study showing that pupils with the same set of grades from GCSE achieve better in supposed easier A-Levels than harder ones such as Languages, Sciences and Mathematics?
    Well, the first thing that springs to mind is that that study is seriously flwaed because you have to study maths, the sciences and languages at GCSE to study them at A-level but most of the so-called 'easy' subjects aren't widely available at GCSE and if even if they were, they aren't a requirement. Therefore the study compares a tiny proportion of students who studied the 'easy' subjects to all students who've studied the traditional ones, which obviously isn't a fair comparison.
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    (Original post by kellywood_5)
    I don't see why. There may be some practical elements like watching films or designing a newspaper, but the rest is writing essays, which surely can only be classed as academic. In any case, not all A-levels are academic, but you never hear of art or music being called 'easy'. Just because they may be slightly less academic than other subjects doesn't mean they're easier.
    Personally I'd argue that media and film studies are a small branch of sociology; not worthy of individual study at A-Level.

    Well, the first thing that springs to mind is that that study is seriously flwaed because you have to study maths, the sciences and languages at GCSE to study them at A-level but most of the so-called 'easy' subjects aren't widely available at GCSE and if even if they were, they aren't a requirement. Therefore the study compares a tiny proportion of students who studied the 'easy' subjects to all students who've studied the traditional ones, which obviously isn't a fair comparison.
    However, the supposed easier subjects start at a basic level so anyone can study them without previous grasp in the subject.
    Alternatively, since media and film require no previous experience and something like maths does you could argue maths at least starts at a higher level?

    I wouldn't say that a grade in the supposed easier subjects wasn't an achievement, but it's alarming to see our sixth forms, colleges and universities cutting back on proper subjects such as maths and languages in order to teach higher demand but easier courses.
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    (Original post by Gaz031)
    Personally I'd argue that media and film studies are a small branch of sociology; not worthy of individual study at A-Level.
    Interesting theory. Actually one of the Unit 1 options in AS sociology is media, so you may have a point there.

    (Original post by Gaz031)
    However, the supposed easier subjects start at a basic level so anyone can study them without previous grasp in the subject.
    Alternatively, since media and film require no previous experience and something like maths does you could argue maths at least starts at a higher level?

    I wouldn't say that a grade in the supposed easier subjects wasn't an achievement, but it's alarming to see our sixth forms, colleges and universities cutting back on proper subjects such as maths and languages in order to teach higher demand but easier courses.
    It doesn't start at a higher level, we just start learning it much earlier. I dont think you can really argue that Year 1 maths is at a higher level than AS media/film studies! I still wouldn't say they're easier, but I agree it is worrying that less people are taking maths, sciences and languages because they're essential subjects. Maybe since the 'new' subjects have a bad reputation, that will encourage people to study more traditional subjects. I know I'd never heard of all this 'mickey mouse' stuff before :tsr: and even if I had I don't think it would have stopped me taking sociology, but it has affected some people's choices.
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    (Original post by Gaz031)
    I wouldn't say that a grade in the supposed easier subjects wasn't an achievement, but it's alarming to see our sixth forms, colleges and universities cutting back on proper subjects such as maths and languages in order to teach higher demand but easier courses.
    I don't think this is a wide-spread phenomena, though. None of the 8 or so schools and colleges in my area have done so, for example. I do agree with you though, subjects such as maths and the sciences shouldn't be passed over for 'mickey mouse' subjects. Personally, I wouldn't go to a college if it didn't offer A-Level English Lit or Lang, the sciences, maths and MFLs. How can it possibly be credible without them?

    I don't much agree with your label 'proper subjects' though. Just as an interesting point, I've found the subject content I learnt in psychology to be far more relevant and actually useful to me than I have chemistry.
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    Why are Ds and Es classed as passes??

    what can you do with those grades.. thats what part of the problem is
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    (Original post by 3.14159265)
    Why are Ds and Es classed as passes??

    what can you do with those grades.. thats what part of the problem is
    You can get onto some university courses with those grades, not necessarily degrees, but HNCs, HNDs and foundation degrees.
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    How can you vote unless you've tried them both?

    I'd probably lean more towards no than yes, though, having done them.

    I'm hardly stupid but I had to work damn hard to feel like I have a chance of doing well.
 
 
 

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