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Take the case in the UK of the 2 children that murdered Jamie Bulger, they are now released into society with new identities, that shouldnt have been the case, that childs mother has a lifetime to reflect on the brutal murder of her son, his killers should not have been released, even though they were children at the time of the crime, they were still old enough to know right from wrong
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A lifetime of torture? arguably.
And you think it's not the same for a child?
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Take the case in the UK of the 2 children that murdered Jamie Bulger, they are now released into society with new identities, that shouldnt have been the case, that childs mother has a lifetime to reflect on the brutal murder of her son, his killers should not have been released, even though they were children at the time of the crime, they were still old enough to know right from wrong
That was a sick crime, to be honest, if I ever met them on the street, I would have a clear conscious if I had just beat the **** out of them.
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Take the case in the UK of the 2 children that murdered Jamie Bulger, they are now released into society with new identities, that shouldnt have been the case, that childs mother has a lifetime to reflect on the brutal murder of her son, his killers should not have been released, even though they were children at the time of the crime, they were still old enough to know right from wrong
Very good point.
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And you think it's not the same for a child?
That's why it's arguable. It's the same, but different.
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Take the case in the UK of the 2 children that murdered Jamie Bulger, they are now released into society with new identities, that shouldnt have been the case, that childs mother has a lifetime to reflect on the brutal murder of her son, his killers should not have been released, even though they were children at the time of the crime, they were still old enough to know right from wrong
They got away with a pretty light sentence.
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That's why it's arguable.
Fair enough. Would you agree then that the punishment (in most cases) should be equal to the crime?
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That's why it's arguable. It's the same, but different.
ok...i HAVE a friend that has been raped...i knew her BEFORE and AFTER the crime....the raper was her STEPFATHER....she was never the same....he also raped her twin brother....she was a cheerleader before, and was a happy bubbly kid.....now she never talks and goes around with an air of a beaten puppy....if a guy trys to talk to her she freaks out and starts to whimper.....SHE DID NOT DESERVE what her stepfather did to her! it was wrong and has scarred her FOR LIFE
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Fair enough. Would you agree then that the punishment (in most cases) should be equal to the crime?
Depends what you want to achieve. For retribution, you need equal or greater, less won't do. For rehabilitation, you need to question what punishment is serving to do. Reverse past events? Or restructure the future? To restructure the future, I don't really see equal punishment helping much.
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Fair enough. Would you agree then that the punishment (in most cases) should be equal to the crime?
I do, Im not religious, yet an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth does come to mind.
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(Original post by rIcHrD)
Depends what you want to achiecve. For retribution, you need equal or greater, less won't do. For rehabilitation, you need to question what punishment is serving to do. Reverse past events? Or restructure the future? To restructure the future, I don't really see equal punishment helping much.
Yes, take Milosevic for example. There is no way you can extract retribution from all the atrocities he did during his reign, simply executing him wont be enough to satisfy the victims families.
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Yes, take Milosevic for example. There is no way you can extract retribution from all the atrocities he did during his reign, simply executing him wont be enough to satisfy the victims families.
exactly......
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ok...i HAVE a friend that has been raped...i knew her BEFORE and AFTER the crime....the raper was her STEPFATHER....she was never the same....he also raped her twin brother....she was a cheerleader before, and was a happy bubbly kid.....now she never talks and goes around with an air of a beaten puppy....if a guy trys to talk to her she freaks out and starts to whimper.....SHE DID NOT DESERVE what her stepfather did to her! it was wrong and has scarred her FOR LIFE
Surely I didn't question whether the crime is wrong or not. It's a horrid crime, made even worse by it being family. What happened to her stepfather btw?
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Surely I didn't question whether the crime is wrong or not. It's a horrid crime, made even worse by it being family. What happened to her stepfather btw?
hes in prison for 10 years.....and hes up for parole in 4......
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hes in prison for 10 years.....and hes up for parole in 4......
Hmmph, go figure.
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Crime - Punishment

Rape - Slice their testicles off, then force feed them the remains.
Murder - Endless torture for the rest of their natuaral life.
Robbery - Smash each individual finger with a hammer, thereby breaking each tiny and fragile bone.
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Hmmph, go figure.
exactly...he'll be out from good behavior in four yrs. most likely......
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Crime - Punishment

Rape - Slice their testicles off, then force feed them the remains.
Murder - Endless torture for the rest of their natuaral life.
Robbery - Smash each individual finger with a hammer, thereby breaking each tiny and fragile bone.
lol!
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Crime - Punishment

Rape - Slice their testicles off, then force feed them the remains.
Murder - Endless torture for the rest of their natuaral life.
Robbery - Smash each individual finger with a hammer, thereby breaking each tiny and fragile bone.
Alrighty then.
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Crime - Punishment

Rape - Slice their testicles off, then force feed them the remains.
Murder - Endless torture for the rest of their natuaral life.
Robbery - Smash each individual finger with a hammer, thereby breaking each tiny and fragile bone.
do you consider shoplifting robbery.....because ive done that before
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