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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    I think Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam proposed that, and needless to say, not many listened to them (they didn't listen to themselves either).
    cant see britzan taking it up either

    but then not many people are rushing to leave the UK. infact they'll do anything to get in
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    (Original post by SamTheMan)
    Isn't that what the creation of Liberia was for? That didn't end too well...
    Liberia was created for that purpose (though most Liberians are not descended from African-American slaves), but that was about 200 years ago I believe.
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    (Original post by SamTheMan)
    Isn't that what the creation of Liberia was for? That didn't end too well...
    Yes. Ironically, Lincoln, the Great Emancipator established Liberia to send as many of the blacks back as possible. Apparently, he was all for freeing them but was buggered if he wanted them as neighbors.
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    (Original post by SamTheMan)
    Instead of talking about slaves from the past and paying them back, why didn't this expert turn his attention to slaves that still exist in African governments and ask them to pay damages? Why he wouldn't is, because he knows very well what those governments would tell him: to ****ing piss off.

    The thing is that with the state of mind of the British population and its attitude to its past, people get away with saying as much negative things they want. Noone will ever tell them that they're talking ****.
    i wish he'd asked me. id have laughed at him. i suspect many people did but only the supporters made the final edit of the program.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    What does that have to do with capitalism or communism? Was Pinochet communist since he had dissidents shot?


    In general, Maoist movements outside China are strongly opposed to the current Chinese government, which they see as having hopelessly strayed from the principles of Maoism.At the same time, even this period is largely seen both in official circles and among the general public as preferable to the chaos and turmoil that existed in China in the first half of the twentieth century. Among some people there is nostalgia for the idealism of revolutionary Maoism in contrast to the corruption and money-centeredness some see in current Chinese society. Many also regret the erosion of guaranteed employment, education, health care, and other gains of the revolution that have been largely lost in the new profit-driven economy. On December 24, 2004, four Chinese protesters were sentenced to prison terms for distributing leaflets entitled "Mao Forever Our Leader" at a gathering in Zhengzhou honoring Mao Zedong on the anniversary of his death. Attacking the current leadership as "imperialist revisionists", the leaflets called on lower-level cadre to "change (The Party's) current line and to revert to the socialist road." The Zhengzhou incident is one of the first manifestations of public nostalgia for the Mao era to make it to the international press, although it is far from clear whether these feelings are isolated or widespread.

    Communism= stifled freedom of speech and yes sentences without trials
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    (Original post by SlyPie)
    Communism= stifled freedom of speech and yes sentences without trials
    Communism = government control of the means of production.

    Many types of regimes don't allow freedom of speech and jail people without trial. Just because communism is one such regime, doesn't mean that all regimes that do this are communist. All cats are animals, not all animals are cats.

    Nothing in your post contradicted my position that China is mostly capitalist.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Communism = government control of the means of production.

    Many types of regimes don't allow freedom of speech and jail people without trial. Just because communism is one such regime, doesn't mean that all regimes that do this are communist. All cats are animals, not all animals are cats.

    Nothing in your post contradicted my position that China is mostly capitalist.

    It's not mostly capitalist; it doesn't practice open market btw and not all companies are privatized. Plus many things are still run by the government. It still practices the fixed exchange rate (which means it sets its money to the dollar) which btw is usually used in developing nations.


    In all honesty though, to DR. BLAZED---you should learn how to read...instead of negatively repping people for stating the facts.
    Once China is a superpower, the West will act very differently........
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    (Original post by SlyPie)
    It's not mostly capitalist; it doesn't practice open market btw and not all companies are privatized.
    Is the USPS private? Is social security? No country is completely capitalist.

    Plus many things are still run by the government.
    The same can be said of most countries in Europe.

    It still practices the fixed exchange rate (which means it sets its money to the dollar) which btw is usually used in developing nations.
    So does Norway; Britain did as well for a few years in the early '90s.

    The fact is that the government of China controls a lesser percentage of the Chinese economy than the government of France does of the French economy. If you think that China is communist, then so is much of Europe.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Is the USPS private? Is social security? No country is completely capitalist.



    The same can be said of most countries in Europe.



    So does Norway; Britain did as well for a few years in the early '90s.

    The fact is that the government of China controls a lesser percentage of the Chinese economy than the government of France does of the French economy. If you think that China is communist, then so is much of Europe.

    I do believe much of Europe is socialist, for example the NHS, council housing, etc. The unemployment law recently implemented ( but failed) in France.

    They do follow many socialist ideals. But there is a fine line between communism and socialism.
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    (Original post by SlyPie)
    I do believe much of Europe is socialist, for example the NHS, council housing, etc. The unemployment law recently implemented ( but failed) in France.

    They do follow many socialist ideals. But there is a fine line between communism and socialism.
    Communism is when the government controls all the means of production (i.e. 100% of national income is produced by the government). Socialism is when the government controls a significant portion of the means of production (the exact percentage is open to debate). The Chinese government controls about 45-50% of the Chinese economy, while the French government controls about 55% of the French economy. If China is communist, then so is France (and Scandinavia).
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    (Original post by SlyPie)
    In all honesty though, to DR. BLAZED...
    I love this chap.

    Seriously, though, why do I owe the descendants of slaves anything ? My forefathers were incredibly poor industrial workers who lived awful and shortened lives due to bad conditions in the Midlands cotton mills. I should be owed some money by the establishment because of their suffering. But am I complaining ? No. I shut up and deal with it, because I know it's no one living's fault.
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    (Original post by Dr. Blazed)
    I love this chap.

    Seriously, though, why do I owe the descendants of slaves anything ? My forefathers were incredibly poor industrial workers who lived awful and shortened lives due to bad conditions in the Midlands cotton mills. I should be owed some money by the establishment because of their suffering. But am I complaining ? No. I shut up and deal with it, because I know it's no one living's fault.
    I'm actually female, and thus not a chap.

    Maybe you should rebel against the current aristocracy and the Sloanies and get what you want.
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    (Original post by SlyPie)
    I'm actually female, and thus not a chap.

    Maybe you should rebel against the current aristocracy and the Sloanies and get what you want.
    You'll always be a chap to me, dear. And from the chap who just ordered me to learn to read, an awful bugger up:

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    I shut up and deal with it, because I know it's no one living's fault.
    That's probably a pretty good indicator that I'm not going to rebel against the toffs, because there's nothing I want from them. Because it's not their fault.

    Do pay attention.
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    (Original post by Dr. Blazed)
    You'll always be a chap to me, dear. And from the chap who just ordered me to learn to read, an awful bugger up:



    That's probably a pretty good indicator that I'm not going to rebel against the toffs, because there's nothing I want from them. Because it's not their fault.

    Do pay attention.
    Oh, please. Like any common Cockney doesn't harbor some loathing towards Sloan Rangers....don't tell me you aren't bitter in the slightest, especially when they wear those gay hats with huge rims and feathers to Ascott.
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    (Original post by SlyPie)
    It still practices the fixed exchange rate (which means it sets its money to the dollar) which btw is usually used in developing nations.
    it doesnt, actually.

    (Original post by SlyPie)
    for stating the facts.
    like the one above?
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    (Original post by technik)
    it doesnt, actually.



    like the one above?

    Actually it does.

    Here's a link. Do some research prior to spouting crap.
    http://www.asil.org/insights/insigh117.htm
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    (Original post by SlyPie)
    Actually it does.

    Here's a link. Do some research prior to spouting crap.
    http://www.asil.org/insights/insigh117.htm
    Old news. China's currency is now fixed to a basket of currencies. I believe this came into effect a few weeks ago (your article is 2 years old).
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Old news. China's currency is now fixed to a basket of currencies. I believe this came into effect a few weeks ago (your article is 2 years old).

    Well you basically agree with me. It is still fixed.
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    (Original post by SlyPie)
    Well you basically agree with me. It is still fixed.
    It's not fixed to the dollar as you claimed. And the currencies of the EU were fixed to each other until the euro came into effect. Does that make the EU communist?
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    It's not fixed to the dollar as you claimed. And the currencies of the EU were fixed to each other until the euro came into effect. Does that make the EU communist?

    Hmmm what currencies is it fixed on exactly? It's still fixed--I got my point across.

    I already said the EU is socialist. What gives?

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