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    (Original post by Ads.)
    Ok here's my rant for you. A*'s should be reserved for only those who are brilliant.
    True, but surley this depends what exam board and subject we are talking about. I mean if you look at GCSE RE on the WJEC exam board we can seen that infact one must get 95% of the marks inorder to receive an A*. And in many GCSE art courses you can only drop 1 mark inorder to receive an A*.

    The problem is that in some GCSE's A*'s are excessivley hard to receive- no one is perfect and therefore to receive one you would need lots of luck and a very nice examener. However with other GCSE's (for example Maths, and ICT) it is way to easy to receive credit for something not worthy of an A*.

    The problem is that there is not one standard all across the board- but hay what exam process is perfect.

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    (Original post by Matthew1989)
    True, but surley this depends what exam board and subject we are talking about. I mean if you look at GCSE RE on the WJEC exam board we can seen that infact one must get 95% of the marks inorder to receive an A*. And in many GCSE art courses you can only drop 1 mark inorder to receive an A*.

    The problem is that in some GCSE's A*'s are excessivley hard to receive- no one is perfect and therefore to receive one you would need lots of luck and a very nice examener. However with other GCSE's (for example Maths, and ICT) it is way to easy to receive credit for something not worthy of an A*.

    The problem is that there is not one standard all across the board- but hay what exam process is perfect.

    Matthew
    very nice first post ^_^ xoxo
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    (Original post by rayman198)
    Ahhh but im sure anyone with reasonable intelligence could teach themselves from a revision guide! An exam showing how much you can memorise and regurgitate onto an exam paper is not a worthwhile or usefull thing to do! Using Logic and thinking and learning idependantly is vital, and no more so than in universities, it is the admissions tutors that are moaning about the GCSE's!
    Yeh maybe but can you honestly say you have never miss understood or not understood something in the classroom- everyone needs assistance from a teacher at some point- that is why they are there.

    Besides there are many reasons for school- not only the transmission of knowledge. Kids are meant to learn values such as right and wrong, how to accept power, and how to accept boredom. School is one of the main parts of a childs socialisation process- and you can't learn socialisation from a revision guide.
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    (Original post by rayman198)
    Ahhh but im sure anyone with reasonable intelligence could teach themselves from a revision guide! An exam showing how much you can memorise and regurgitate onto an exam paper is not a worthwhile or usefull thing to do!
    Yes it is. As I said above, it shows how well you understand what is in the syllabus. Regardless of how you've been taught (independently or with the aid of a teacher), they will test how well you can put to use the knowledge you've learnt. Thus, they test you're ability to learn/be taught.

    (Original post by rayman198)
    Using Logic and thinking and learning idependantly is vital
    I agree, however, when you have a job, you're main request is to complete the work which is rquired of you. And the best way to do this is to use the techniques and knowledge which you were taught at University.

    (Original post by rayman198)
    and no more so than in universities, it is the admissions tutors that are moaning about the GCSE's!
    Is it? I didn't know that, interesting. Anyway, this still doesn't prove much. I mean, fair enough, admissions tutors may have a problem with GCSEs, but they still have to refer to them when deciding whether or not to accept a candidate. It's one of the few "guarantees" they have got.
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    What annoys me about certain GCSEs, namey the Arty/Creative ones is the fact that someone who is a genuinely talented artist cannot obtain an A*. This is because you have to "appreciate" and "analyse" the Art that you are studying or creating, and often enough, people who are amazing artists can't get this A* because of a lack of guidance from their teacher's, or perhaps because of a local of good vocal skills (i.e. they can't get their point across succinctly).

    Also, as mentioned by Matthew, why on Earth are A*s so much easier to come by in subjects like Maths than in Art. The trouble is that grade inflation and depression is not uniform between the subjects, and so we are left with perhaps too many people getting A*s in Maths, and too few people getting A*s in Food Technology.
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    (Original post by tammy_girl)
    very nice first post ^_^ xoxo
    Cheers Tammy Girl- I do try.

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    (Original post by Matthew1989)
    Cheers Tammy Girl- I do try.

    Matthew
    :p: no problem ^_^ xoxo
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    (Original post by henryt)
    What annoys me about certain GCSEs, namey the Arty/Creative ones is the fact that someone who is a genuinely talented artist cannot obtain an A*. This is because you have to "appreciate" and "analyse" the Art that you are studying or creating, and often enough, people who are amazing artists can't get this A* because of a lack of guidance from their teacher's, or perhaps because of a local of good vocal skills (i.e. they can't get their point across succinctly).
    I don't agree. Verbal reasoning is not a necessary asset when it comes to Art. I know many people who have been predicted D's and E's for English Language, yet, A/A*'s for Art. I don't agree that you need good verbal reasoning skills. All they ask is that you understand what your Art could represent.
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    I don't agree. Verbal reasoning is not a necessary asset when it comes to Art. I know many people who have been predicted D's and E's for English Language, yet, A/A*'s for Art. I don't agree that you need good verbal reasoning skills. All they ask is that you understand what your Art could represent.
    Yes, but I think his point is that if you lack the skills to get your point across to the examaner you will not get the credit for it. Verbal reasoining is a necessary part of any subject because how is the examaner meant to give you credit if he is not showen you know a specific thing.
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    (Original post by Matthew1989)
    Yes, but I think his point is that if you lack the skills to get your point across to the examaner you will not get the credit for it. Verbal reasoining is a necessary part of any subject because how is the examaner meant to give you credit if he dose not know that you know a specific thing if you can't show him.
    Yes, of course it is. I said "good verbal reasoning" isn't necessary to attain top grades. Henryt was saying that a lack of good verbal reasoning is the reason why many don't succeed in getting top grades and I was simply disagreeing.
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    Well lets just face it, its the best we've got, it's the only thing we can do ! Have faith, if the students don't have faith in the system then what do we have left, over the next 2 weeks the exam system is going to be ripped apart by the media, undermining 2 years hard work at school, and months of revising and hard work !!!
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    You know what got me most?

    When Michael Howard gave the campaign promise that he did not think GCSE's where hard enougth and that he would make it alot harder to get top grades- he obviousley had no idea of the exam stress students go through- and no grasp of how hard course work is!
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    (Original post by Matthew1989)
    You know what got me most?

    When Michael Howard gave the campaign promise that he did not think GCSE's where hard enougth and that he would make it alot harder to get top grades- he obviousley had no idea of the exam stress students go through- and no grasp of how hard course work is!
    This is why I dislike like the torys; too right-wing and don't have a clue about anything.
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    ^^ And you're saying that Tony Blair has done good for the education system? With the apparent grade inflation etc.??

    I would rather that everyone get the grades they deserve and do harder exams, rather than some people getting grades that they don't deserve for little work while other's who have worker harder still achiever the same.
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    (Original post by henryt)
    ^^ And you're saying that Tony Blair has done good for the education system? With the apparent grade inflation etc.??

    I would rather that everyone get the grades they deserve and do harder exams, rather than some people getting grades that they don't deserve for little work while other's who have worker harder still achiever the same.
    Well I dont think it is that bad mate- remember all exam boundaries are done on a quota basis; so supposidley however hard the exams where made you would still get the same results.
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    (Original post by Matthew1989)
    True, but surley this depends what exam board and subject we are talking about. I mean if you look at GCSE RE on the WJEC exam board we can seen that infact one must get 95% of the marks inorder to receive an A*. And in many GCSE art courses you can only drop 1 mark inorder to receive an A*.

    The problem is that in some GCSE's A*'s are excessivley hard to receive- no one is perfect and therefore to receive one you would need lots of luck and a very nice examener. However with other GCSE's (for example Maths, and ICT) it is way to easy to receive credit for something not worthy of an A*.

    The problem is that there is not one standard all across the board- but hay what exam process is perfect.

    Matthew
    I totally agree! For edexcel drama, to get an A* you need 96% :eek: - you've got to be near perfect! And for an A, you need 85%, 76% for a B, that would certainly get you an A* for Maths!

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    I'm not exactly certain on this, but aren't our European counter-parts sightly brainier than us. So in order to 'appear' we are matching their intelligence, the government has forced exam boards to lower grade boundaries.

    Also makes the labour education 'appear' likes it working more effeciently as well
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    (Original post by henryt)
    ^^ And you're saying that Tony Blair has done good for the education system? With the apparent grade inflation etc.??
    Firstly, who said I was pro-Labour? I'm not, but I have to admit the system is better now, than it will be if tory's ever get a shot at it. :rolleyes: I hardly think making proposals like that is the way to get people voting for you.

    (Original post by henryt)
    I would rather that everyone get the grades they deserve and do harder exams, rather than some people getting grades that they don't deserve for little work while other's who have worker harder still achiever the same.
    By making exams harder you would almost certainly make schooling worse. A very small minority achieve with "very little work" as you put it. If you were to make exams harder you would have alot less passes, and almost certainly more kids would drop out of school immediately post GCSE. Society is evolving, there is a greater demand for specialist degrees, and at the moment, the figure is just shy of 45% of students going onto University. This will fall drastically with the addition of harder exams. Whilst it may be better for the "small minority", it will ruin the 60% + who fail to achieve straight A's with hard work.
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    (Original post by Ads.)
    I'm not exactly certain on this, but aren't our European counter-parts sightly brainier than us. So in order to 'appear' we are matching their intelligence, the government has forced exam boards to lower grade boundaries.

    Also makes the labour education 'appear' likes it working more effeciently as well
    I dont beleive that is true because:

    1. It would be a scandal.

    2. European grades are different from ours anyway.
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    (Original post by Matthew1989)
    I dont beleive that is true because:

    1. It would be a scandal.

    2. European grades are different from ours anyway.
    Exactly. The IB is much more 'rounded' and the IGCSE is apparently harder than GCSE.
 
 
 

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