Gaza, Westbank & Israel

For something or some action to be illegal it has to be in breach or violation of some code of law. The only thing you've demonstrated here is your belief that Jewish settlers had no rights despite the Mandate for Palestine and the UN Charter stating the contrary. Your belief that Jewish persons on the land now known as Israel, did not own that land despite purchasing it from the respective deed holders. Arab land owners I assume did own that land by virtue of not being Jewish? I'd be interested to know who you believe that land did belong to while under Ottoman and later, Jordanian occupation, and in light of the fact that the State of Israel was founded with the acknowledgement and recognition of the League of Nations, on what basis the creation of state was 'illegal'.

They did. That's why mandate Palestine was partitioned, twice. The first time in 1919, when the Arab population was given 75% of the territory to the exclusion of the Jews in what's now Jordan. And then again in 1947 when the remainign 25% of mandate Palestine was partitioned according to settlement patterns between the Arabs and the Jews.

If you think Israel only exists because of the Torah, btw, you've almost entirely misunderstood Zionism. Nevertheless, if you think the Torah doesn't support the existence of the state of Israel, you're relying on a very controversial and narrowly believed interpretation. The vast majority of Jewish scholars do support its existence.

The Gaza pullout is a truly terrible thing for Israeli-Jews, Europe and America.

Islamic terrorists will flood into the region and use it as a base for further attacks against the infidels.

My deepest sympathies go to all Jewish-Israelis removed from Gaza.

Israel controlled (and continues to control for now) Gaza's coastline and its border with Egypt. If Israel stops doing this, it is very likely that weapons or terrorists will find their way into Gaza into numbers that have been unimaginable when Israel controlled the areas.

What's wrong with the support and development of Israel? If there was no support, it wouldn't exist. If there was no development, it would be pretty stagnant.

i thought we were trying to create a palestinian state?
how so when israel controls everything?

These mandates did not take in regard the harsh social-political consequences of the Arab-Palestinian inhabitants of the land. They were driven as a result of what i like to call the holacaust factor.




Not all the occupied territories were previously owned by the deed holders. Pre-Israeli landowners had very little or no right to sell land inhabited by the Palestinians to the Jewsih settlers. The argument of previous land ownership is not worth pursuing as it was way too insiginificant in the grand sceme of things and ignores the ethical nature of the issue as a whole.




It would of belonged to Arab Muslims and furthermore the the majority of the inhabitants would have been Arab Muslims!!





The League of Nations was disbanded as it was not ratified by any of the major world powers at the time. Anything carried out by the enforcement, ratification of the league of nations is therefore questionable





Israel my friend is more than partly illegal, it is almost entirely illegal. The existence and continuation of the State of Israel not only goes against justice and ethics it goes against the Torah, the infallible scripture upon whom the 'Israelis' base their religion.


Listen i am not saying Israel should be disbanded because that will never happen. All muslims realise that Isreal will exist whether they like it or not. However, the daily injustice of the Palestinian people needs to be addressed quickly. The evacuation of settlers and IDF from all Palestinian areas (gaza,west bank) will go about setting the foundation for further reconciliation.

No, the question is: how so when the PA cant control its own backyard without Israeli help?

excellent post

PA?

Its largely inaccurate and built on moral opinion rather than legal technicalities, which doesnt count for much if you declare a internationally recognised state to be illegal.

Palestinian Authorities

and THATS why it was ignored by you!

i see and who exactly asked for israeli's intervention there?
it cannot control their own back yard in favour of the israelis. that makes much more sence.
wait lets see... i really dont like the malta's foreign policy with regards to cyprus, i might have to do something about that
i see your point

You make the alarming assumption that the land under Palestinian jurisdiction is also under their sovereign control. It isnt because they are unable to exercise sovereign control. As the land belongs to no sovereign national power, Israel has the right to exercise external security measures to protect the State of Israel, and the people in the disputed terroritories under Israeli jurisdiction. If the PA could also offer assurances that they could handle internal and external security matters for land under their jurisdiction, then Israel would happily dilute its military presence. The PA could not, did not and didnt want to, as Israel was doing a far better job of it. The Israeli's clearly were unwilling to rely on the assurances of someone like Arafat, but have now taken a first step in handing control of Gaza over to the Palestinians. The ball is now in the Palestinian court; they must be demonstrate that they are able to effectively control and offer security, such that a Palestinian state may exist.

For something or some action to be illegal it has to be in breach or violation of some code of law. The only thing you've demonstrated here is your belief that Jewish settlers had no rights despite the Mandate for Palestine and the UN Charter stating the contrary. Your belief that Jewish persons on the land now known as Israel, did not own that land despite purchasing it from the respective deed holders. Arab land owners I assume did own that land by virtue of not being Jewish? I'd be interested to know who you believe that land did belong to while under Ottoman and later, Jordanian occupation, and in light of the fact that the State of Israel was founded with the acknowledgement and recognition of the League of Nations, on what basis the creation of state was 'illegal'.

These mandates did not take in regard the harsh social-political consequences of the Arab-Palestinian inhabitants of the land. They were driven as a result of what i like to call the holocaust factor.

The 1919 mandate was widely regarded as little more than a statement of zionist policy composed by Zionists.

Following the 1947 resolution 181. An israeli land grab meant that it owned up to 77% of Palestinian territory. Also larger parts of Jerusalem were under Israeli control. This ultimately led to HALF the indiginous Palestinian popultaion to be expelled or flee from their homes.

No, the question is: how so when the PA cant control its own backyard without Israeli help?