Proposal that Independent school pupils should pay extra Uni fees

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dont the kids with less money get need based grants from the government? i know in america you can get money to go to college if you have a certain gradepoint average, (i think its like a 3.7) and if your parents yearly income level is below a certain point!

works pretty well over here, why dont they just do that for britan?
Isn't 3.7 a phenominally high GPA?
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Isn't 3.7 a phenominally high GPA?
no, thats straight like 4 A's 3 B's..... not that hard to make.....

for exm. if you are in honors courses like i am.....you can make a 4.5, which leaves you a bit of breathing room if you get a C or something

3.7 is about normal for a semi dedicated student......
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no, thats straight like 4 A's 3 B's..... not that hard to make.....

for exm. if you are in honors courses like i am.....you can make a 4.5, which leaves you a bit of breathing room if you get a C or something

3.7 is about normal for a semi dedicated student......
OK, just never have been that clear about how education scores work here in the US. I'm not that clear on college "credit hours" either.......always been a mystery to me......
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Well to what I'm aware of people which get bursaries/scholarships have to pay something. So they can't be that poor. Well a lot of people have to go to a state school, so they should make do. A lot of pupils have tot ravel to go to an independent school so I don't think a grammar would be that far away - alternatively there are good comprehensives. How do you mean go with out a lot are you talking about a second car in which the mother now has to use public transport. My parents can only afford to have one car.

Where you being sarcastic by saying it isn't Labour or which party idea is it (I don't know much about politics!).
No, there are a fair number bursaries and scholarships which pay for everything. At Eton (I might as well use it as an example as it's the most famous public school) there are around forty pupils who pay absolutely no fees at all.

There are large swathes of the country with no Grammar schools at all, and even if there are I'm not sure that it's possible to get a place at one in a different county. Most independent schools have good school bus networks. In my city there is a collaborative school bus system for all the independent schools which reaches most of the county.

Read the article, it is a proposal by Professor Tim Brighouse (education specialist) backed by a few Labour backbenchers.
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OK, just never have been that clear about how education scores work here in the US. I'm not that clear on college "credit hours" either.......always been a mystery to me......
you mean the credits you have to have? yeah, in our system to graduate from high school you have to have a year of fine arts. a year of computer science, a year of speech, and a year of health....and those are just electives!

THEN you have to have 4 years of enligsh, 3 of math, 3 of science, 4 of hisotry, and one foriegn language credit
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Well everyone seems to be pretty much against these proposals, as I am. Independant school students save the country loads of maoney by paying for their own education, if anything they should have reduced university fees, but that's never going to happen.
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Well everyone seems to be pretty much against these proposals, as I am. Independant school students save the country loads of maoney by paying for their own education, if anything they should have reduced university fees, but that's never going to happen.
They should not have reduced university fees. If the richer have less to pay and the poorer have more, isn't that making the richer richer and the poorer poorer?
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This proposal is awful for the following reasons -

1) Society benefits from University graduates because we need a skilled workforce. In fact, we need Doctors and teachers, so why should we raise fees, which will restrict Higher education access, when we clearly need these people?

2) It is unfair to tax the middle class any more than they are already. To make any group of people pay more for education is simply morally wrong.

3) Not every middle class family will be able to afford this scheme, so fewer of their children will be going to university. This is wrong because:
a) Education is a basic right and in a developed country our core education should be extended to University.
b) We'll see fewer Doctors and teachers graduating when we need said people.
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They should not have reduced university fees. If the richer have less to pay and the poorer have more, isn't that making the richer richer and the poorer poorer?
No, because both can earn the same after they graduate.

I'm not saying the rich should be charged less, I'm just saying that is fairer than charging them more becuase they have, in fact, saved this country loads of money.
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I'm not saying the rich should be charged less, I'm just saying that is fairer than charging them more becuase they have, in fact, saved this country loads of money.
And they have a more positive impact on the economy. Seems to me this happysunshine character has a problem understanding the fundamentals of society.
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(Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
Well everyone seems to be pretty much against these proposals, as I am. Independant school students save the country loads of maoney by paying for their own education, if anything they should have reduced university fees, but that's never going to happen.
By the same argument, would you say that anyone using private healthcare should not have to fund the NHS? Comprehensives are offered to all. It's the individual's choice if they choose not to take up on the offer.

The main problem I see with the system is that if independent school pupils have to pay more for their fees, won't this actually work against students from comps because the unis will get less funds per year than students from independent schools?
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The main problem I see with the system is that if independent school pupils have to pay more for their fees, won't this actually work against students from comps because the unis will get less funds per year than students from independent schools?
They may well be inclined to take more public school children...
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And they have a more positive impact on the economy. Seems to me this happysunshine character has a problem understanding the fundamentals of society.
No. Everyone should be given equal oppertunities and if that means funding the poorer then that's what should happen.
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By the same argument, would you say that anyone using private healthcare should not have to fund the NHS? Comprehensives are offered to all. It's the individual's choice if they choose not to take up on the offer.

The main problem I see with the system is that if independent school pupils have to pay more for their fees, won't this actually work against students from comps because the unis will get less funds per year than students from independent schools?
They do fund comprehensives, and the NHS, via the tax system.

I haven't really heard a convincing reason why independant school students should be charged more.
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(Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
They do fund comprehensives, and the NHS, via the tax system.

I haven't really heard a convincing reason why independant school students should be charged more.
I was just arguing against your proposal saying you should be charged less.
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No. Everyone should be given equal oppertunities and if that means funding the poorer then that's what should happen.
Everyone is given equal opportunities as best as possible.

How will charging independant (not neccessarily richer) students more make things fairer? It sounds like the opposite to me.
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No, because both can earn the same after they graduate.

I'm not saying the rich should be charged less, I'm just saying that is fairer than charging them more becuase they have, in fact, saved this country loads of money.
Okay, I see your point which I fully understand. I'm happy to pay equal as everyone else.
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No. Everyone should be given equal oppertunities and if that means funding the poorer then that's what should happen.
Where did this "equal opportunities" come from? In what way is it euqal, exactly, that well - off people have to fund the univeristy education system twice over, when they have already been paying 40% tax and when they have already been paying for state schools without actually using their place there??

I do not wish to see university fees at all - THAT is what would be called equal opportunities, happysunshine. Charging well-off people is simply NOT the way forward in this case.
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Everyone is given equal opportunities as best as possible.

How will charging independant (not neccessarily richer) students more make things fairer? It sounds like the opposite to me.
Like I've said before I am stuck on what I think on this issue. It is going against the richer but I'm sure they are rich enough to survive anyway. I don't know what I think.
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I was just arguing against your proposal saying you should be charged less.
I don't actually attend an independant school.

It costs a lot to put a child through education. If parents pay for their children's education, they are saving the state a lot of money. Therefore it would seem reasonable to charge these students less.

I don't really support this, but that seems more logical than charging them more.
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