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No..they pay my wages

I fail to see how all these awful things (like getting a surgery wrong, or bad treatment) is infact an argument against the NHS...when the same things DO happen with private healthcare, it's the same doctors and nurses at the end of the day.

The only fault it has is the management...and thats where things like these happen, all in all it provides a fantastic service to the majority of the UK, and it's a shame some idiots are condemning it because of one bad experience or because they maybe didn't get a diagnosis that they wanted at that time...or didn't get a drug they wanted, when it does so much good for others
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I have had nothing but good experiences with them. I have had a couple of irritable nurses, but everyone has their bad days.
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I've always quite liked the NHS... never had an issue... but thats just my experience...
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The NHS is fallible simply because it's run by humans and humans make mistakes. However, these mistakes affect people and so are obviously seen to be a big thing. Sure, the NHS could be made better but it could also be a lot worse. The concept of an NHS and the fact that it does benefit far more people than it harms makes it, in my eyes, a very good thing.
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Seriously? God, some people are so ungrateful.
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People who criticise the nhs are idiots.
U should be grateful for a healthcare system that is free at the point of access...
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They couldn't be bothered to treat me after a nervous breakdown and 7 suicide attempts in 2007. They basically chucked me off the system when I said I was at the lowest of the low and really needed help. Basically got left on my own to sort myself out.
im sorry to hear that But what I mean to say is ofcourse a healthcare system that treats 60million people is gonna screw up sometimes but it does produce some good and no-one can argue that mistakes like this dont happen in other countries. Also we need to remember that the NHS like everything else has finite resources and sometimes it cant accomodate for alot of things which are very important however bear in mind that a country with no public acces healthcare would have provided no help whatsoever
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In regard to long waiting times, if they suspect a serious condition, you will get a prompt referral.

I think people underestimate how difficult it is working as a GP. As someone who has sat in on and conducted a countless number of clinics, patients' expectations are often vastly different to what is actually good for them. They demand antibiotics for simple viral infections and leave in disgust when they are told that all they will do is contribute to antibacterial resistance. They demand referrals to specialists when unnecessary and complain that medication is not working, when often they haven't been taking them. Patient after patient will come in with the same agenda, refuse to leave and extend the appointment over the allotted 10 minutes. And in amongst them all will be the non-complaining sweet old lady, who doesn't ask anything of her doctor, but actually has a cancer. If you feel a GP is reluctant to dish out medication, it's probably because you don't need it.
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Some GPs are useless, you could go in there with a gaping wound to your head and throthing and the mouth and they would reply stomach pains or something.

Then again, the vast majority of GPs do an excellent or at least adequate job and since you are getting it for free, you could be getting a lot lot worse. I wouldnt regard myself as a raging socialist but I think the NHS is a great thing compared to what the alternative could be.
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Yes, waiting for hospital appointments and things is a little annoying, but at least it's free so I ain't complaining.
Its not free though we pay taxes taking like a quater of our salary.

Ive had a fully blocked nose since December cant breath through it at all, tried all sorts of sprays and tablets and have to wait till July to see an ENT.
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No..they pay my wages

I fail to see how all these awful things (like getting a surgery wrong, or bad treatment) is infact an argument against the NHS...when the same things DO happen with private healthcare, it's the same doctors and nurses at the end of the day.

The only fault it has is the management...and thats where things like these happen, all in all it provides a fantastic service to the majority of the UK, and it's a shame some idiots are condemning it because of one bad experience or because they maybe didn't get a diagnosis that they wanted at that time...or didn't get a drug they wanted, when it does so much good for others
The huge gripe isn't that treatment went wrong (at least for me), it how the situation dealt with AFTER surgery 'went wrong'.

Failure on the part of the surgeon to admit that the op went wrong.
Failure on the part of the surgeon to accept that HE screwed up.
Failure on the part of the NHS to even attempt to sort out the mess they'd made (don't know who was behind THAT decision...they wouldn't say).
The supercilious, condescending manner I was treated to when trying to come to terms with the damage caused...bedside manner? What bedside manner?

The one thing I would dearly love to know is how the allergy information was missed? It was in my file, on my notes and on a board above my bed!!!!!!!!!!

It fine to call people who have issues 'idiots' because of a bad experience (I'm not condemning the entire NHS by the way...I just have major trust issues), but you're not living with the same consequences I am. Let me ask you this:

Would you call someone who was bitten by a venomous spider an idiot for being scared of them? When it comes to trusting and being let down by 'the system' (whichever system that may be), it's not a dissimilar situation!
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im sorry to hear that But what I mean to say is ofcourse a healthcare system that treats 60million people is gonna screw up sometimes but it does produce some good and no-one can argue that mistakes like this dont happen in other countries. Also we need to remember that the NHS like everything else has finite resources and sometimes it cant accomodate for alot of things which are very important however bear in mind that a country with no public acces healthcare would have provided no help whatsoever
I'm not saying that I don't completely dislike them, most others things I've been to them for have been sorted out fine. I'm grateful for them, for example as I would have to pay 40 EUR for a packet of my contraceptives here in Germany, but I think there are things that need improving, like the mental health service.
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It could happen when you go private, but what happened to me wasn't 'human error' (or at least not just human error) it was basic incompetence and lack of attention to detail combined with a neglect to read my notes.

I could have accepted that the operation just went wrong...it's a risk you take...but we're not talking complications, my surgeon screwed up and tried to cover it up. How did I end up being given medication to which it's known that I have a serious reaction, when the list of what I'm allergic to was on a notice board above my bed? I'm not sure what you'd call that, but it's more than just 'human error'.

People have different gripes...a lot a relatively minor but a few of us have good reason to be unhappy.

All that said, the nurses were excellent - the ICU Sister especially deserved a medal for the patience she had dealing with a patient who was very scared, very sick, in a lot of pain and furious that so much had gone so badly wrong.
Sorry I meant human error in the fact that it was a person who messed up, not the NHS system as a whole. As in, you could find the exact same thing could happen with private care if the surgeon messed up the same, made the same decisions etc. In that way it is all human error.

I'm not saying it's any less of an awful thing for you to have gone through.
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(Original post by The Referee)
The huge gripe isn't that treatment went wrong (at least for me), it how the situation dealt with AFTER surgery 'went wrong'.

Failure on the part of the surgeon to admit that the op went wrong.
Failure on the part of the surgeon to accept that HE screwed up.
Failure on the part of the NHS to even attempt to sort out the mess they'd made (don't know who was behind THAT decision...they wouldn't say).
The supercilious, condescending manner I was treated to when trying to come to terms with the damage caused...bedside manner? What bedside manner?

The one thing I would dearly love to know is how the allergy information was missed? It was in my file, on my notes and on a board above my bed!!!!!!!!!!

It fine to call people who have issues 'idiots' because of a bad experience (I'm not condemning the entire NHS by the way...I just have major trust issues), but you're not living with the same consequences I am. Let me ask you this:

Would you call someone who was bitten by a venomous spider an idiot for being scared of them? When it comes to trusting and being let down by 'the system' (whichever system that may be), it's not a dissimilar situation!

You were let down by PEOPLE not the NHS

Let me ask you this, if a red haired man failed to turn up to an important meeting...would you assume all red haired men were unorganised?
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You were let down by PEOPLE not the NHS

Let me ask you this, if a red haired man failed to turn up to an important meeting...would you assume all red haired men were unorganised?
Disorganised.

No, I wouldn't...but I wasn't let down by one person was I? I was let down by the team in who's hands I put my life...a team who were then aided in trying to cover it up by those around them. The NHS system failed me - especially with regard to the internal investigation. I had to report my surgeon to the GMC to get my treatment investigated properly...how is that right?


Like I said though, I don't hate the NHS...I hate what happened to me under the care of the NHS!
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I'm sorry, but this will always come down to your personal experiences...if you've only had lousy experiences with the NHS then 'awesome' is not the word you're going to use to describe it.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience and that's really horrible but as an institution IMO it's a unique thing that we as a country should be very proud of.

(Original post by bluesky_65)
No, it's generally an amazing service.

My mum died of cancer over a long period, but wanted to stay at home. For the last 3 months of her life, we had nurses visit every day, twice a day, and would come additionally whenever we needed them. They even provided special equipment so she didn't need to spend her last days in hospital.

So - thank goodness for the NHS.
Same here
Though my mum had really bad complications towards the end so they had to put her in a hospice. It was still a lovely place though and all the staff were so nice and supportive and she got to have reflexology and counselling and all this other stuff.


(Original post by alio~)
Ive had a fully blocked nose since December cant breath through it at all, tried all sorts of sprays and tablets and have to wait till July to see an ENT.
I just had that, it took me a little while to see ENT but it was sinusitis (it's not particularly dangerous) and they operated on me a couple of weeks ago. all the stuff coming out is a bit gross but I can breathe now

(Original post by hannah_dru)
I'm not saying that I don't completely dislike them, most others things I've been to them for have been sorted out fine. I'm grateful for them, for example as I would have to pay 40 EUR for a packet of my contraceptives here in Germany, but I think there are things that need improving, like the mental health service.
Definitely, my mum was admitted for a while because of schizophrenia and had they taken more notice of the fact that she was throwing up after every meal and not just getting the nurses to clean it up and had they sent her for a CT scan she'd probably be alive.
There just weren't enough trained staff and in comparison to the rest of the hospital the Mental Health Wing wasn't that well equipped at all.
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Definitely, my mum was admitted for a while because of schizophrenia and had they taken more notice of the fact that she was throwing up after every meal and not just getting the nurses to clean it up and had they sent her for a CT scan she'd probably be alive.
There just weren't enough trained staff and in comparison to the rest of the hospital the Mental Health Wing wasn't that well equipped at all.
I'm really sorry about your mum
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If you feel a GP is reluctant to dish out medication, it's probably because you don't need it.
Exactly. I have asked for medication; but that was because it was recommended by the hospital; but I wasn't given it by the hospital. I now have to change it - I've found something that a) I can use without help & b) helps more. Of course, that's not the fault of either the person who recommended it or gave it to me.

they maybe didn't get a diagnosis that they wanted at that time...
For most people it's not a want. I refer you back to my previous post where a friends' body was completely messed up before she got a diagnosis.
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Disorganised.

No, I wouldn't...but I wasn't let down by one person was I? I was let down by the team in who's hands I put my life...a team who were then aided in trying to cover it up by those around them. The NHS system failed me - especially with regard to the internal investigation. I had to report my surgeon to the GMC to get my treatment investigated properly...how is that right?


Like I said though, I don't hate the NHS...I hate what happened to me under the care of the NHS!
I was involved in a situation with a NHS staff member last year that was supposedly being investigated. The offense, in my opinion, was quite serious and I was put in an awkward situation but went through with keeping my statement and as far as I'm aware nothing came of it.

I do wonder what exactly they do when they do internal investigations. It doesn't seem quite right what happened with the one I was involved with. It all seems as though it was brushed under the carpet so much as I can tell.
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It keeps people waiting for months after months after months after month after months after month after months after month after months........:blah: The GPs are mostly too reluctant to treat patients (well the ones I know anyway!)

Edit: Fine its not that bad....but it still needs big time improvement...I cant say that I have been happy with their service though. Depends on each indivitual and how they've been treated.
I hate the NHS :/

Last year, i went swimming, and i used the diving boards. As i dived, my right foot hit the board as it jolted back up, and i fell 20ft into the pool. I belly flopped the water, which, by the way, hurt like a *****, and sank to the bottom of the 12 foot pool. All i could feel was just really sharp pain all the way up my right foot, and i couldnt swim properly to surface for air. Lifeguards laughed and left me because my mates were laughing, but when i surfaced i told them something was wrong, anyways sorry i have a habbit of making things longer then they need to be...

Needless to say i got took to hospital, where they xrayed my foot, and a student fracture nurse told me there was nothing there, and that i probably just sprained it. She asked if we would like a second opinion, so we got one, again with a STUDENT fracture NURSE, no experts at all here, and he said exactly the same thing. no breaks. I went 10 days in absaloute pain, and had to do a certain amount of random stretches and foot exercises each day. Went back to hospital because my foot became severely mis-shapen after the swelling had gone down, and a fracture experty person examined exactly the same xray, I had actually broken 4 metatarcels in 2 places, with 2 metatarcels comepletely snapped in 2.

I now have a horrible dopey crippled foot, which goes limp if i try to run, or do hard exercise for more then 30 minutes. So yes i hate the NHS Also, the time they told me i had tonsilitus when i actually had glandular fever which made me pass out in my sleep because of lack of nutrients and water because my tonsils had swollen shut. Oh, also, the time where my little sister had a fit on the floor and they said it was normal for a toddler to do this if they had a fever, she ended up being diagnosed with meninjitus and in hospital for weeks, and then developed frontal lobe imbalance/impairment, which is a type of brain dammage :/ Hmm, also, the time where they said my grandad didnt need to be in hospital, so that night he ended up having a severe heart attack and died two days later.

I suppose you could say i actually hate the NHS. :rolleyes:
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