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    Is it possible to suffer from heart damaged/attack from cannabis due to the fact that the THC can increase your heart rate up to 50%... Or is it like a workout.
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    for most "healthy young people" without some heart **** that means u cant tolerate heart rates over a certain level, I doubt it would be a problem. I guess it could easily induce a heart attack in some people though - who could get it from standing up too quickly or whatever
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    (Original post by Naxalite)
    Probably die, your heart will work too hard and may bottom out I guess.
    Nah - weed, pills, and poppers are quite a common combination at raves and other such places. Probably not as healthy as eating an apple, but it wont kill you (unless there are other factors involved)
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    (Original post by Iago)
    Nah - weed, pills, and poppers are quite a common combination at raves and other such places. Probably not as healthy as eating an apple, but it wont kill you (unless there are other factors involved)
    actually they can. they can also send your heart into atrial fibrillation which then might give you an embolic stroke
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    actually they can. they can also send your heart into atrial fibrillation which then might give you an embolic stroke
    Actually they can...? They can...? They can what?

    What did I say they couldn't do? Kill people? I didn't say that. I didn't say anything about what the combination can or cannot do. I'm just saying that the combination probably wont kill you, and that the fact that it is a popular combination within the drugs scene provides evidence of this.

    I'm sure the combination can kill you. I'm sure it can do those things you said it can.

    But:
    (Original post by Iago)
    Nah - weed, pills, and poppers are quite a common combination at raves and other such places. Probably not as healthy as eating an apple, but it wont kill you (unless there are other factors involved)
    We're talking about in a minority of circumstances. And there must be other factors involved, the combination doesn't kill most people that take it. So it can't purely be down to that itself. There has to be another factor like heart desiese, other drugs, anxiety, overdosage, bad personal reaction etc. etc.

    Look, I'm not trying to promote this combination or any drug taking at all, I'm just merely making a factual point about its effects.
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    The worst anyone I know has had is their heart beating fast, and that could be just because they're more aware of touch and hearing -exaggerating the beat. I severely doubt anything would happen. EDIT: (without taking anything else)
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    (Original post by Iago)
    Actually they can...? They can...? They can what?

    What did I say they couldn't do? Kill people? I didn't say that. I didn't say anything about what the combination can or cannot do. I'm just saying that the combination probably wont kill you, and that the fact that it is a popular combination within the drugs scene provides evidence of this.

    I'm sure the combination can kill you. I'm sure it can do those things you said it can.

    But:

    We're talking about in a minority of circumstances. And there must be other factors involved, the combination doesn't kill most people that take it. So it can't purely be down to that itself. There has to be another factor like heart desiese, other drugs, anxiety, overdosage, bad personal reaction etc. etc.

    Look, I'm not trying to promote this combination or any drug taking at all, I'm just merely making a factual point about its effects.
    "Probably not as healthy as eating an apple, but it wont kill you "

    Even without any other factors, they can kill you. Not to mention the fact that a good deal of people with extra risk factors may be completely unaware of their predisposition.
    IF a drug kills only those in whom a "bad personal reaction" is found then it simply has potentially lethal side effects. Heck its why our anaethetics were overhauled a few years back - the off chance that 1 in a million MIGHT have a bad reaction and develop hepatitis, and that 1 in 1000 of these MIGHT die.

    If all the risk factors for dying ona drug were controllable then you might be correct. But they aren't and hence neither are you.
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    Correct about what? What do you think this debate is about?

    Someone up there asked what would happen if a certain combination of drugs were taken. The next guy said it'd probably kill you. I said that it probably wouldn't kill you, and that it is actually a popular combination. You don't seem to be arguing with any of these points.

    Sure, the drugs have dangers, and can kill. Sure, most people don't know exactly how their body will react. You have no control over some risk factors, agreed. When did I dispute or even bring up these points?
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    "When did I dispute or even bring up these points?"

    When you said it wouldn't kill you.
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    Wait no OK I see your point. I shouldn't have said 'not as healthy as an apple but wont kill you' or whatever. I just meant that in a general, turn-of-phrase kind of way. My apologies, it can and does kill people. It just probably wont kill you.
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    Well, I'm not gonna try any drugs let alone 3 types at once.
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    (Original post by Naxalite)
    Is it possible to suffer from heart damaged/attack from cannabis due to the fact that the THC can increase your heart rate up to 50%... Or is it like a workout.
    Overdoses of cannabis are rather uncommon afaik. It is more commonly the long term effects obe would worry about. However this does in no way mean that it is necessrilly safe. The sad truth is that noone really knows with certainty what the risks are, mainly due to limited scientific material. The studies rthat have been carried out on cannabis has been far less comprehensive and fewer than those concerned with smoking. Long story short, if anyone tell you cannabis is safe, they are either lying or think they know more than they do.
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    (Original post by Jonatan)
    Overdoses of cannabis are rather uncommon afaik. It is more commonly the long term effects obe would worry about. However this does in no way mean that it is necessrilly safe. The sad truth is that noone really knows with certainty what the risks are, mainly due to limited scientific material. The studies rthat have been carried out on cannabis has been far less comprehensive and fewer than those concerned with smoking. Long story short, if anyone tell you cannabis is safe, they are either lying or think they know more than they do.
    see its a misconception about the whole 'overdose' thing with drugs. you don't have to overdose for a drug to kill you. Overdose implies there is a known safe level - where in many drugs there is not.
    Take sniffing lighter fluid for isntance. No such thing as a safe dose. some people can sniff it and be fine. others - at the first whiff of it experience massive bronchospasm and asphyiate and die. [spelling! ]

    The govt doesn't ban drugs for ***** and giggles. Ecstasy does very little wrong social behaviour wise - it is banned because it is so dangerous. same goes for many drugs.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    see its a misconception about the whole 'overdose' thing with drugs. you don't have to overdose for a drug to kill you. Overdose implies there is a known safe level - where in many drugs there is not.
    Take sniffing lighter fluid for isntance. No such thing as a safe dose. some people can sniff it and be fine. others - at the first whiff of it experience massive bronchospasm and asphyiate and die. [spelling! ]

    The govt doesn't ban drugs for ***** and giggles. Ecstasy does very little wrong social behaviour wise - it is banned because it is so dangerous. same goes for many drugs.

    But lighter fluid isnt banned :/

    But they ban weed for example. I mean who dies trying weed??
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    (Original post by Herleif Arkadios)
    But lighter fluid isnt banned :/

    But they ban weed for example. I mean who dies trying weed??
    lighter fluid has OTHER USES OMG!!! afaik it IS illegal to sell solvent **** to someone if u have reason to believe theyre gonna huff it
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    (Original post by rock_eleven)
    lighter fluid has OTHER USES OMG!!! afaik it IS illegal to sell solvent **** to someone if u have reason to believe theyre gonna huff it
    quite. also can't sell to under-18s.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    see its a misconception about the whole 'overdose' thing with drugs. you don't have to overdose for a drug to kill you. Overdose implies there is a known safe level - where in many drugs there is not.
    Take sniffing lighter fluid for isntance. No such thing as a safe dose. some people can sniff it and be fine. others - at the first whiff of it experience massive bronchospasm and asphyiate and die. [spelling! ]

    The govt doesn't ban drugs for ***** and giggles. Ecstasy does very little wrong social behaviour wise - it is banned because it is so dangerous. same goes for many drugs.
    But that doesn't really apply to Cannabis, which isn't going to kill you unless you take ludicrous amounts, and even then there have been no recorded deaths from Cannabis (I've no doubt Cannabis smoking has played its part in many deaths, but not as a direct, primary contributing factor). My point is, smoking a few joints wont kill you unless you have other problems with smoking itself (such as chronic asthma or something). And yes, I mean wont this time.

    Other than this, you're right. The notion of the overdose can mislead one into thinking that there are established safe levels for many drugs, when there simply aren;t and the effects are unpredictable, varying hugely from person A to person B.

    Nonetheless, the notion of the overdose is not arbitary or useless. It usually describes the amount of drugs that statistically you can probably take and still be OK, or at least not collapse down dead. True, taking one (non-dodgy) pill might, in a minority of circumstances, kill you. But taking 15 pills will most probably kill you. And so the latter is called an overdose for this reason - the notion is intended as a basic guide to what the usual intake is for drug users.

    So the 'overdose' levels are misleading, yes, but not useless (except perhaps for the most unpredictable of drugs, such as solvents, where I would agree with you).

    Also, its probably been debated to death but I'll put my two cents in anyway. Just because something can be dangerous to oneself isn't justification for it being illegal.
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    I thought pure THC was better than smoking actual weed, skunk, high grade etc.

    I know it gets you 'more out of your head', but I thought it was supposed to be 'purer'.

    When taking THC, be very cautious as to the amount your taking. One second your feeling fine and the next your on your a.rse whilst the world is spinning around. Its deceiving to the point whereby you think your handling it until you stand up after sitting down. I have never known of it killing anyone, but merely just generally making people feeling sick or bringing them to vomit.
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    Weed has destroyed up my brain some what in just two years. i find it much harder to think clearly and achieve academically when having recently smoked. Got me excluded from a top independent school then turned into a daily habit caused depression whilst and caused far more bother than its worth. from my experience it is addictive, dangerous socially and mentally and just best to steer clear if youve never tried it. The only way ive managed to stop is by going away for the whole summer you could put that down to pathetically weak will power but i suppose getting expelled wasnt enough ... it really worrying as know one is sure of its longterm effects properly as mentioned in this thread it needs to be reclassified to class B.
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    I'm not happy with this much promotion of drug-taking. Regardless of your opinions on its safety/lack thereof, it is illegal and we do not promote illegal activities on here.
 
 
 
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