I need help deciding; the Sorbonne or Sciences-Po Paris??

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Hello,

I applied to the UK, but decided to cancel my UCAS application, as I am more motivated by the idea of studying in Paris. I applied at the university of Paris I (Panthéon-Sorbonne) for French&English Law (a year spent at King's) and at Sciences-Po, for a course involving Law/History/Politics/Economics - and I've been offered places to both. I just don't know what to go for...

In terms of international prestige, where would you go?

Thanks!
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I would say that Sciences-Po Paris is probably more competitive. It is very difficult for French students to receive places there. Is your course at Sciences-Po Paris? Because there are several that are not all as prestigious. At the end of the day, I would chose which ever course you like more as the two are very different.
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(Original post by Christelle19)
In terms of international prestige, where would you go?

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Sciences Po.
Paris I is pretty bad.
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Sciences Po.
Paris I is pretty bad.
Is Paris I really that bad? I heard that they (with Assas) offer the best law programs in the country. In addition to this it has "Sorbonne" in its name; which is a name known and respected world-wide.
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I would say that Sciences-Po Paris is probably more competitive. It is very difficult for French students to receive places there. Is your course at Sciences-Po Paris? Because there are several that are not all as prestigious. At the end of the day, I would chose which ever course you like more as the two are very different.
Yep it's Sciences-Po Paris. I think that I might go there, as classes are generally smaller, and it is recognized as the school that educates the political elite (a little like Oxford in the UK).
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For law studies you can be sure that Pantheon-Sorbonne offers you the better opportunities (especially abroad) but in terms of workload, Sorbonne (particular in law) is though. Sciences-Po is easy going in the first 3 years.
After all, if your not so sure about doing law, sciences po is the better choice, since you work less for a better reputation in general.
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(Original post by equix)
For law studies you can be sure that Pantheon-Sorbonne offers you the better opportunities (especially abroad) but in terms of workload, Sorbonne (particular in law) is though. Sciences-Po is easy going in the first 3 years.
After all, if your not so sure about doing law, sciences po is the better choice, since you work less for a better reputation in general.
I pretty much agree with that.
Law --> Sorbonne definitely (second best after Assas); if not law, then sc po is probably a better choice, although I would argue that the Sorbonne is well regarded outside of France. Well, go with the course that you like and do not be too obsessed with reputation!
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Hello everyone,

I am international student admitted by Sciences Po for its Master Economic law.

I understand that Sciences Po is a very prestigious school, but, as many people say here, Assas or even Sorbonne may be better in Law. That may be true since the law school of Sciences Po doesn't have a very long history yet.

My question is; how about Paris 10 or Paris 5? Compared to Paris 10 and Paris 5, other not-too-bad law schools in Paris but less prestigious than Assas or Sorbonne, the Law school of Sciences Po is better?

I ask this question because I was refused by law departments of Assas and Sorbonne, but received by those of Sciences Po, Paris 10 and paris 5...(my major is the international commercial law)

The master program of Sciences Po takes you 2 years, while that of Paris 10 and Paris 5 takes you only one year (I was admitted by Master 2). Other point may be the budget (Sciences Po costs much), but I won't think about money too much.

I am thinking to work in Paris after the graduation since I already have my family here (one child). For my family, it is very important for me whether I can find a (good) job in Paris soon after the graduation.

Opinions of people who know about the after-graduation situation of those schools will be especially welcomed, but any opinion will be great for me. So please! Help me.

Thank you very much in advance.
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(Original post by Hugo-M)
Hello everyone,

I am international student admitted by Sciences Po for its Master Economic law.

I understand that Sciences Po is a very prestigious school, but, as many people say here, Assas or even Sorbonne may be better in Law. That may be true since the law school of Sciences Po doesn't have a very long history yet.

My question is; how about Paris 10 or Paris 5? Compared to Paris 10 and Paris 5, other not-too-bad law schools in Paris but less prestigious than Assas or Sorbonne, the Law school of Sciences Po is better?

I ask this question because I was refused by law departments of Assas and Sorbonne, but received by those of Sciences Po, Paris 10 and paris 5...(my major is the international commercial law)

The master program of Sciences Po takes you 2 years, while that of Paris 10 and Paris 5 takes you only one year (I was admitted by Master 2). Other point may be the budget (Sciences Po costs much), but I won't think about money too much.

I am thinking to work in Paris after the graduation since I already have my family here (one child). For my family, it is very important for me whether I can find a (good) job in Paris soon after the graduation.

Opinions of people who know about the after-graduation situation of those schools will be especially welcomed, but any opinion will be great for me. So please! Help me.

Thank you very much in advance.
Sarkozy graduated from Paris 10, so I guess the graudate prospects can't be that bad

I've read some quite poor reports about it though, such as here.
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Sciences Po is a much better bet than either of the universités there. Assas is special, but otherwise an école is a better bet most of the time.
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Just to let you know, I chose Sciences Po over Paris I, and will be starting in September. As mentioned above, Sciences Po and other "Grandes Ecoles" or "Grands Etablissements" are deemed far more prestigious than the universities (better teaching quality). With a ScPo degree you certainly won't struggle to find a job after graduation, in France. Internationally I don't know..
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Thank you for guys who reponded to me! Your opinions are very helpful.

>With a ScPo degree you certainly won't struggle to find a job after graduation, in France.

=>This is very important for me. I will rest in France after graduation, so more easily I can find a (good) job in France after graduation, better the university is.

I continue to welcome any opinions. Any opinions will be fine .
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Everyone in France know Science Po in Paris. I would go to Science Po, if I wouldn't be keen on doing a proper law degree, which I would do at Assas. From all what I've heard it seems to me, that it is very important in France to get on a prestigious institution and nearly everybody who has the choice, decides to go to une grande ecole. Science Po will be much better in termy of job prospects, I suppose.
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Sciences Po is way more famous among French people/scholars/employers than la Sorbonne, which is (really) a third-class Uni. I do not understant why foreigners tend to think that la Sorbonne (which, btw, does not exist anymore, the Middle-Age "University of Paris" has been split during the 1970s) is good. Every French knows that it does not rank even close to the "Grandes Ecoles".

SciencesPo belongs to the Top 5 French Uni, at least in term of prestige. La Sorbonne is even not a Grande Ecole.

So well, please, go to SciencesPo Paris ! =D

Ps: if Sarkozy went to la Sorbonne, it is because he missed SciencesPo: his English sucked (and still sucks). ^^
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Haha you have ever been outside paris? It's not a grande ecole but its scientific output/the quality of the professors is still way more important/better than of 99% of the universities/grande ecoles in France.
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In France, only 17 year old kids think that la Sorbonne is a third-class university.
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In France, only 17 year old kids think that la Sorbonne is a third-class university.
I agree that the Sorbonne isn't "third class" - in terms of universities the Sorbonne places itself first in France. But the Sorbonne has lost the prestige it once had. Nowadays in France, especially in Paris, going to the Sorbonne isn't much of a deal, as mostly everyone gets in. Getting into a Grande Ecole, or into Sciences Po is very competitive. And that's why their students are generally more respected. People claim that the Grandes Ecoles are France's Ivy League, or France's Oxbridge.
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Yeah it's a long and complicated story - its France...
And like everywhere else people tend to make easy choices. The equation parisians make is : no "concours" to enter a course/univ. = bad quality of the programm.

That there is a 70% drop out rate in the first 2 semesteres, in any given course at the sorbonne, doesnt really matter.
Personnaly, I see that in Law & Business studies they are trying hard to improve their reputation. But it takes ages to change opinions people make about this kind of things.
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How important is uni rep is France, as in to employers and people who actually matter? :holmes:
I mean in England, Oxbridge and the rest of the top 10/20 will help you get to interview, but your degree classification, relevant work experience and interview performance are much more important, particularly after you've bagged your first graduate job. Just asking because my first choice isn't a grand école or anything, and much as I love the uni and course, I do want to be able to get a job afterwards!
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The problem is that most people in France use the term "Grandes Ecoles" when they are, in fact, just talking about the very best of those schools: ENA, ENS, X...

They just forget that there are around 300 Grandes Ecoles in France and that the majority of them are not difficult to get into.

For those interested, here is a list of some French Grandes Ecoles http://www.cge.asso.fr/cadre_ecole.html
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