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i disagree with the death penalty, there are some crimes perhaps where it is deserved, but what if the wrong person is convicted?
i read somewhere that it was studied in america and 1 in 10 people executed was actually innocent... scary eh?
not with the DNA testing.......:rolleyes:
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i disagree with the death penalty, there are some crimes perhaps where it is deserved, but what if the wrong person is convicted?
i read somewhere that it was studied in america and 1 in 10 people executed was actually innocent... scary eh?
This is of course the main problem with death penalty. If a person is proven innocent after the judgement has been carried out, theres no way to free the prisioner. Having said that, being imprisioned for Life even though you are innocent is almost as bad and possibly worse than being executed. The real dilemma is how strong evidence must be in order to pass a conviction. Have it to strict, and criminals will walk free. Have it to lax, and innocent will be convicted.
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not with the DNA testing.......:rolleyes:
Even though DNA testing is accurate, it is not always available in order to determine if a suspect is indeed the murderer. In addition, the technology is extremely accurate, but you stil have a human factor. Samples can be mixed up.
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i disagree with the death penalty, there are some crimes perhaps where it is deserved, but what if the wrong person is convicted?
i read somewhere that it was studied in america and 1 in 10 people executed was actually innocent... scary eh?
Thats your thoughts for now. But what happens if your daughter/son gets raped then killed. Do you still let the killers go free in 30 years or do you demand the death sentence?
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I'm sorry, was there a point to this post?
If it was meant to be an attack on my argument then it is completely ineffectual.
No it wasn't intended as such, get over yourself. I was merely paving the way for more discussion.
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Thats your thoughts for now. But what happens if your daughter/son gets raped then killed. Do you still let the killers go free in 30 years or do you demand the death sentence?
Sighs...
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(Original post by rIcHrD)
Sighs...
And what is your point?
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And what is your point?
i think he was pointing out the emotions dont matter side!

im going to dinner bbl in about 30
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And what is your point?
I think he is exhausted.
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Either way, answer the argument or get out. Simple as that.
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Either way, answer the argument or get out. Simple as that.
Perhaps he is uncapeable of doing such?
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Thats your thoughts for now. But what happens if your daughter/son gets raped then killed. Do you still let the killers go free in 30 years or do you demand the death sentence?
i woulnt demand the death sentance as i live in australia its not an option. also if u condem someone to be executed in my opinion that makes u as bad as the murdurer.
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i woulnt demand the death sentance as i live in australia its not an option. also if u condem someone to be executed in my opinion that makes u as bad as the murdurer.
You maybe will be sayign that now, but once you experienced first hand teh grief of losing someone, then the emotion will get over you.

We are in the UK, and have had a murder of 2 girls, and we have debated this about whether to execute the murderer.

After all in the US they do it.
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You maybe will be sayign that now, but once you experienced first hand teh grief of losing someone, then the emotion will get over you.

We are in the UK, and have had a murder of 2 girls, and we have debated this about whether to execute the murderer.

After all in the US they do it.
yeah if i lost someone i probably would want the person that did it dead, but just cos something is personal doesnt make it right.
also its terribly thaty 2 girls got murdered but if u use the death penalty once ull use it again and again and then ull start convicting the worng people... what good comes of killing someone? it just means ur sinking to their level (well thats my opinion anyway)
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2 girls got murdered but if u use the death penalty once ull use it again and again and then ull start convicting the worng people... (well thats my opinion anyway)
Correct, my feelings as well. But the other verdict for Ian Huntly, is that he would be free in 30 years (or so).
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Correct, my feelings as well. But the other verdict for Ian Huntly, is that he would be free in 30 years (or so).
well, there is a pro and con for everything
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In my opinion, the death penalty is fairly barbaric. It is following an instinct that craves swift revenge without really considering what it achieves. Is there not a chance that people can change? I just think it is a remarkably uncivilised thing to do for a civilised nation.

However, I would say that a life prison sentence should be longer than 24 years (or whatever it is) without a chance of getting out earlier. But killing the criminal seems to go too far.
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As we know, the concept of human rights and humanity is not something written into our genes or biologically viable, it is a general set of rules written by humans for humans.
Interestingly, The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 has incorporated most of the human rights. It has specially enshrined the protection of the right to life. However, Article 29 recognises that human rights and fundamental freedoms are subject to limits. Though it didn't specify clearly, it is presumed that by imposing death penalty (which i do not support), right to life may be curtailed in certain circumstances. The death penalty is the only exception that is mentioned in Article 6 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
I am not surprised that such an exception was made, since it was convenient for the powers that be of the time (powers that were, I guess) to exclude the death penalty. The people who drew that up were childre of their time, and operated in a world where the appalling barbarity of state sponsored execution was the norm.
However, that doesnt change the fact that to execute anyone contravenes the basic human right to life, which must be accorded to us all be it convenient or not. Of course there are human freedoms which are subject to limits, but human rights are not. It is never acceptable to violate these rights, and that includes execution.
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murderers cud be classed as no different frm mentally ill therefore they r not fully responsible 4 their actions
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I agree actually. Nobody knows what death feels like for certain. It could be good, could be bad.

But we know that prisons are a bad place to be and that's what we want to give our murderers.
yea prisoners shud be made to work though as this cud reduce tax payments and is a deterrent to other criminals. prisoners now have a better life than workers and just doss about
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