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    (Original post by Howard)
    It's simple. The information provided by SIS was doctored to suit Labor's wish to back Bush.

    Labor lied, presented it as truth, and took us to war.

    Period.
    which is precisely the issue. the majority of the public and the Tory party would have supported a war had the case been presented 'differently'...
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    Pompous idiots they may well be. But for shear hypocracy they don't even hold a candle to Labor, who are nothing but a bunch of champagne socialists.
    hehe, quite.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    the labour government presented its case, including its dossier, to parliament, which they took to be accurate. a parliamentary vote was taken based on this information. whatever extra information that members of the Shadow Cabinet saw were a) not substantial enough to detract from the claims of the government b) substantial enough for the Tory party to stand by their conviction that it was in Britains interest to remove Saddam.
    Labor's case.......a 10 year old PHd copied from the internet and hastily doctored by Cambell.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Labor's case.......a 10 year old PHd copied from the internet and hastily doctored by Cambell.
    Campbell has been cleared of doctoring and i dont believe he had any serious input into the manipulation of the dossier, but serious errors were made in its production as he admits in hindsight.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Pompous idiots they may well be. But for shear hypocracy they don't even hold a candle to Labor, who are nothing but a bunch of champagne socialists.
    If there is ever a party who deserve to be called hypocrits, it's the Tories. All of a sudden they are now a 'caring party', a party 'for the people'. Yeah right! All the Tories are, are a bunch of pompous, power-hungry people, who now realise they are sliding into political oblivion.

    Labour have implemented a number of good, socialist policies such as the minimum wage, tax credits etc... Yes it may not be the party of old, but we have managed to keep a good balance; being electable whilst still producing sound policies.
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    All of a sudden they are now a 'caring party', a party 'for the people'. Yeah right! All the Tories are, are a bunch of pompous, power-hungry people, who now realise they are sliding into political oblivion.
    all of a sudden?
    caring party?
    pompous?
    oblivion?

    any substance to this?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    thankfully thats the ONLY broken record in your collection...
    No it ain't. I got many from the compilation 'The Tories: The Rise And Fall; Vol I' lol.
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    (Original post by pkonline)
    No it ain't. I got many from the compilation 'The Tories: The Rise And Fall; Vol I' lol.
    why do you keep playing the same one then?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    all of a sudden?
    caring party?
    pompous?
    oblivion?

    any substance to this?
    See, you agree with me then. There ain't no substance to them is there !
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    why do you keep playing the same one then?
    It's my fave track! Altho it didn't go down too well when it was first released in the 90s, its been remixed recently and has a new lease of life!
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    (Original post by pkonline)
    See, you agree with me then. There ain't no substance to them is there !
    your comments, no.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    privatisation works if you let it work naturally without buring it under masses of bureacracy and socialist half-measures and compromise...er, like Labour.
    What is the result of privatisation? Total incompetance with us having to bail out companies! There ain't any example of a privatised company doing well.

    people in glasshouses as brittle as yours shouldnt be throwing rocks this obvious...
    I don't need rocks, the Tories are doing fine themselves.
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    (Original post by pkonline)
    It's my fave track! Altho it didn't go down too well when it was first released in the 90s, its been remixed recently and has a new lease of life!
    yet you must have been barely out of nappies at the time..
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    yet you must have been barely out of nappies at the time..
    That's right. Even then though I still knew what stank.
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    What is the result of privatisation? Total incompetance with us having to bail out companies! There ain't any example of a privatised company doing well.


    I don't need rocks, the Tories are doing fine themselves.
    privatisation leads to financial and service improvements.

    BG Group/Centrica?
    British Airways?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    privatisation leads to financial and service improvements.

    BG Group/Centrica?
    British Airways?
    We were all promised savings on things like utilties when the market was opened up. Still waiting...

    How about the railways and their maintainance. Cutting corners to line shareholder pockets!

    The fact is the public sector does a better job and is accountable to us. The private one does it no better and there is evidence that in order to make profits, the are lack luster on many things. They aren't accountable to us altho when things go wrong we pay the bill!
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    (Original post by pkonline)
    If there is ever a party who deserve to be called hypocrits, it's the Tories. All of a sudden they are now a 'caring party', a party 'for the people'. Yeah right! All the Tories are, are a bunch of pompous, power-hungry people, who now realise they are sliding into political oblivion.

    Labour have implemented a number of good, socialist policies such as the minimum wage, tax credits etc... Yes it may not be the party of old, but we have managed to keep a good balance; being electable whilst still producing sound policies.
    "Good socialist policies" Now there's an oxymoron if ever I heard one. Minimum wage.......hmmm.......great policy if growth in unemployment is your aim I suppose.

    Is there any tory more hypocritical and power hungry than, for example, Prescott? Just one example of a long term union activist and militant socialist who seems to have forgotton his working class credentials in his eagerness to bury his fat face in the trough of publicly funded goodies.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    "Good socialist policies" Now there's an oxymoron if ever I heard one. Minimum wage.......hmmm.......great policy if growth in unemployment is your aim I suppose.
    I thought the Tories now accepted that the min wage was good :rolleyes: !

    We now have record levels of employment and that doesn't look to change when we increase the min wage further this year!
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    (Original post by pkonline)
    I thought the Tories now accepted that the min wage was good :rolleyes: !

    We now have record levels of employment and that doesn't look to change when we increase the min wage further this year!
    Britain has one of the worst levels for percentage of its popln living below the poverty line. so much for New Labour....
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    (Original post by pkonline)
    I thought the Tories now accepted that the min wage was good :rolleyes: !

    We now have record levels of employment and that doesn't look to change when we increase the min wage further this year!
    Well, I don't know what the tories think about it and I'm not speaking as shadow chancellor.

    Basic economics. Minimum wages do not create jobs. There can be any number of reasons that we have record levels of employment (though I'll take your word for it) Minimum wages is not one of them.
 
 
 
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