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Reply 260

pkonline

vienna95

so is the inflation rate,but what has it got to do with this...

Its a very good indicator of how the poorest are doing.

Reply 261

deadflower1984

MurphysMoment.

Pay £3 membership fee and your in the party.

Its basically a reason to go to a piss up with a buch of right wing students in the union bar.

I can't think of anything better, being around drunk conservatives. :mad:

Reply 262

deadflower1984

vienna95

but youre a communist loony...

I'm not a communist!
Nigel Evans does look like a hamster, and I think the conservative party are awful, then so do most of the people I've met.
I don't know why they don't just amalgamate with the Labour party, we know they all believe the same things, it's just the totries are trying to run away from the fact that they agree with them.

It was the Tories who passed the motion on tuition fees, and you can't delude yourself, of course the Conservative party would've introduced them if they'd stayed in power. It's just they didn't have time!

Reply 263

Eru Iluvatar

deadflower1984

I can't think of anything better, being around drunk conservatives. :mad:

Sober conservatives are worse, because they actually think they are making sense.

Reply 264

deadflower1984

vienna95

the working class still hold a large key to an election. the fact that they automatically herd vote left wing, leaves the middle classes as the swing vote. it is precisely because they listen and are interested in policy that politics is aimed at them..

i love the way middle class and working class is such a massive divide for you.

Political policy will always be made so that it favours "middle england" and the needs of swing constituencies. Thus meaning whoever is in power, Labour or Tory, their policies are likely to be very similar to keep the swing voters happy, regardless of the previous political inclination of a party. Politics is about power not principles.

Reply 265

Clearing and Applications Advisor

vienna95

it is predominantly the latter but the former may change the circumstance slightly. the point is, the big divide between the two classes is not as wide or hostile as ppl make out.

Can only agree with this...it's not that wide and it is narrowing (even though the relative wealth gap is narrowing). The socioeconomic profile of the entire country is shifting - there aren't that many jobs for working class people anymore so to stay in employment everyone is having to aim higher.

While the bottom three socio-economic groups may account for 40% of the population now, as recently as 1970 the figure was 90%.

At this rate of change, the percentage of working-class students in universities will eventually match their proportion in society as a whole

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3313687.stm

Reply 266

Eru Iluvatar

deadflower1984

Politics is about power not principles.

Its a shame that's true though. Because if people valued principles over power, then there would be few problems left in the world.

Reply 267

Vienna

deadflower1984

isnt that what i just said?

Reply 268

Vienna

Iluvatar

Its a shame that's true though. Because if people valued principles over power, then there would be few problems left in the world.

principles of national security and defence?
principles of economics?
principles of government?

power or principles, little would change...

Reply 269

Eru Iluvatar

vienna95

principles of national security and defence?
principles of economics?
principles of government?

power or principles, little would change...

principles of equality.
principles of a utopian society.
principles of peace.

The world would be a truly different place if principles were valued over power.

Reply 270

deadflower1984

vienna95

isnt that what i just said?

I don't know, there are so many posts that it's impossible to read them all!!

Reply 271

Howard

Iluvatar

principles of equality.
principles of a utopian society.
principles of peace.

The world would be a truly different place if principles were valued over power.

You sound a bit like my 7 year old niece. "If I was President there'd be no war, I'd give everyone a million dollars, and a nice house to live in and blah de blah de blah"

All very "nice" but a bit Alice in Wonderland wouldn't you agree?

Equality? What do you mean by that? Making everyone equal? Doesn't sound much like utopia to me.

And what do you mean by utopia anyway? Surely this is a highly subjective notion. I doubt if your utopia is the same as mine.

Peace? At what cost? War has been and always will be necessary.

Reply 272

Vienna

Howard

Lets be thankful Howard, that people like this and your 7 yr old niece are not in power and never will be.

Reply 273

Howard

vienna95

Lets be thankful Howard, that people like this and your 7 yr old niece do not run the world and never will.

Very good point Vienna.

Reply 274

pkonline

There's nothing wrong with aspiring to these though.

Reply 275

happysunshine

Howard

Equality? What do you mean by that? Making everyone equal? Doesn't sound much like utopia to me.

I take it you are intelligent and quite well off by that comment.

Reply 276

Howard

happysunshine

I take it you are intelligent and quite well off by that comment.

Both. So?

Reply 277

happysunshine

Howard

Both. So?

I accept that oppinions are mainly based on the persons upbringing and the future plans of a person but I think if you were not so intelligent then you wouldn't be dismissing the idea of practising a certain amount of equality. What is wrong with sacrificing the rich only a little to help those poorer?