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It's amusing that every single change is blamed on Tony Blair. There are other people who make descisions and specialise in such things such as education, transport and crime who are more likely to spend a lot of time thinking about it than Blair.
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It's amusing that every single change is blamed on Tony Blair. There are other people who make descisions and specialise in such things such as education, transport and crime who are more likely to spend a lot of time thinking about it than Blair.
Yes, but his tendancy for bilaterals and prime ministerial style do mean the blame lies alot more on him.
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Er, yes you do. I think the whole idea of a tax on students (which is essentially what top up fees are) is totally wrong.
The new proposals mean that you do not pay anything up front. You pay your fees after you graduate and start earning.

This 'tax' can eithr be levied at the student who will benefit from the degree, or the taxpayer. Now which one do you think the public will accept? BTW it ain't a tax on students, its on graduates.
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Labour like privatisation as well, only they they dress it up as PFI schemes.
That doesn't mean therefore that privatisation is right.
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That doesn't mean therefore that privatisation is right.
or intrinisically wrong.

In most cases those privitisation/PFI doesn't really work. Is there any way a profit making company can do a better job than a non-profit state owned organisation, on the same income?
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Why do people think the Tories are superior? They've failed so many times, as the other parties and they'll probably fail again.
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(Original post by woodmeister)
or intrinisically wrong.

In most cases those privitisation/PFI doesn't really work. Is there any way a profit making company can do a better job than a non-profit state owned organisation, on the same income?
Very true. There's no evidence that a private company can do a better job. The only reason why they were all sold off was to raise money. We now enter public-private initiatives cos we ain't got no money and need private money.

E.g. the trains. The Tories made a bigs ear and now we goto clear the mess up. We can't afford to renationlise so we goto make best with wot we got.
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Why do people think the Tories are superior? They've failed so many times, as of most parties and they'll probably fail again.
I think a lot of pple look up to the Tories cos they have a sense of prestige and style about themselves. Well they used to anyway .
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I think a lot of pple look up to the Tories cos they have a sense of prestige and style about themselves. Well they use to anyway .
They were certainly always more fun to take the mick out of.
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I think a lot of pple look up to the Tories cos they have a sense of prestige and style about themselves. Well they use to anyway .
I agree. To their supporters it is like joining a club and where it instantly makes you intelligent and sophisticated because the rich like this party.
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I agree. To their supporters it is like joining a club and where it instantly makes you intelligent and sophisticated because the rich like this party.
Thatcher made them the party to which one could aspire.
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Thatcher made them the party to which one could aspire.
Are you a Tory supporter?
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If you see stories from the 80s there was a big boom in young, flashy, rich kids in their 20s who benefited from Thatcher. These people were your typical Tories; arrogant, thought they were the best ever, non-charitable, selfish, controlling etc........

But a lot of people still like that kind of personality!
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If you see stories from the 80s there was a big boom in young, flashy, rich kids in their 20s who benefited from Thatcher. These people were your typical Tories; arrogant, thought they were the best ever, non-charitable, selfish, controlling etc........

But a lot of people still like that kind of personality!
There are many Torys who are working class too.
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There are many Torys who are working class too.
Yeh your right, sorry, didn't mean to imply that .

It's just the image that the Tory party have.
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Yeh your right, sorry, didn't mean to imply that .

It's just the image that the Tory party have.
Yes they did have that image and it is starting to go away now. If we go back to the idea of all Tory leaders being pompus then that is what can be expected of all party leaders since there wasn't that 'a place for anyone' at university since the PM thing began.
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I guess, to an extent, u got to be part of the hierachy/elite to get into places of power like PM.
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Not only do I blame Blair for New Labour's mistakes but also all the Conservatives mistakes.


Michael Howard will get rid of these ridiculous stealth taxes and moronic targets.
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Michael Howard will get rid of these ridiculous stealth taxes and moronic targets.
Yep, MH has a great record with stealth taxes. Wasn't he responsible for the Poll Tax ?
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Yep, MH has a great record with stealth taxes. Wasn't he responsible for the Poll Tax ?

Atleast he was honest about it; unlike that fat ****** Gordon Brown.
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