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Reply 1

anonR9T2J
:eek3:
(a) Show that, for all non-zero values of the constant k, the curve

y= (kx^2 - 1)/(kx^2 + 1)

has exactly one stationary point.

(b) Show that, for all non-zero values of the constant m, the curve

y= e^mx(x^2 + mx)

has exactly two stationary points.

What have you done so far then? Tried differentiation yet?

Reply 2

Farhan.Hanif93
What have you done so far then? Tried differentiation yet?


I havent done anything. I don't understand where to start I dont like the way the question is worded

Reply 3

anonR9T2J
I havent done anything. I don't understand where to start I dont like the way the question is worded

Ok, well when you get into those situations, stop for a moment and think about what the examiner is trying to test from your syllabus here. It refers to stationary points and at A-level this tends to imply differentiation. Your next thought is to decide what technique do you need to use. As you can see, it's a quotient so maybe give the quotient rule a try. You should know that stationary points occur at dy\dx or f'(x) = 0. So after differentiating the expression, set it equal to zero and you should be able to notice that you can get rid of the denominator and then just solve the numerator.
Hope that makes sense. I'm not going to give you a full answer as you'll not get much benefit from that.

Reply 4

If you dont know go back to the skill building exercises....
Some info been given above.
IMO at C3 you should recognise stationary points dy/dx=0 and how to solve.
Do you know the chain. product and quotient rule?

Reply 5

(a)y=1 - 2/(kx^2+1)

Only one stationary point at x=0

Reply 6

schoolstudent
(a)y=1 - 2/(kx^2+1)

Only one stationary point at x=0


lol

Reply 7

Whoever pos repped me, let me know and I'll rep back :biggrin:

Reply 8

Are both the k and x squared ? is it (kx)^2 or just the x?

Reply 9

Original post by anonR9T2J
:eek3:
(a) Show that, for all non-zero values of the constant k, the curve

y= (kx^2 - 1)/(kx^2 + 1)

has exactly one stationary point.

(b) Show that, for all non-zero values of the constant m, the curve

y= e^mx(x^2 + mx)

has exactly two stationary points.


Could anyone help me with this question?

I've tried to do the quotient rule. I equated it to 0, but I'm not getting an answer, I'm just left with -1 = 1?

Reply 10

Original post by anonR9T2J
:eek3:
(a) Show that, for all non-zero values of the constant k, the curve

y= (kx^2 - 1)/(kx^2 + 1)

has exactly one stationary point.

(b) Show that, for all non-zero values of the constant m, the curve

y= e^mx(x^2 + mx)

has exactly two stationary points.



Original post by Pride
Could anyone help me with this question?

I've tried to do the quotient rule. I equated it to 0, but I'm not getting an answer, I'm just left with -1 = 1?


Show your working! It should take about one line of algebra once you realize that you only need to worry about the numerator of the derivative :smile:

Reply 11

Original post by davros
Show your working! It should take about one line of algebra once you realize that you only need to worry about the numerator of the derivative :smile:


that's what I thought.

Let's see. I got this using quotient rule

[br]2kx(kx2+1)2kx(kx21)doesntmatter=0[br][br]2kx(kx2+1)2kx(kx21)=0[br][br]2kx(kx2+1)=2kx(kx21)[br][br]1=1[br][br]\dfrac{ 2kx(kx^2+1)-2kx(kx^2-1) }{doesn't matter} = 0[br][br]2kx(kx^2+1)-2kx(kx^2-1) = 0[br][br]2kx(kx^2+1) = 2kx(kx^2-1)[br][br]1 = -1[br]

?

Reply 12

Original post by Pride
that's what I thought.

Let's see. I got this using quotient rule

[br]2kx(kx2+1)2kx(kx21)doesntmatter=0[br][br]2kx(kx2+1)2kx(kx21)=0[br][br]2kx(kx2+1)=2kx(kx21)[br][br]1=1[br][br]\dfrac{ 2kx(kx^2+1)-2kx(kx^2-1) }{doesn't matter} = 0[br][br]2kx(kx^2+1)-2kx(kx^2-1) = 0[br][br]2kx(kx^2+1) = 2kx(kx^2-1)[br][br]1 = -1[br]

?


How on earth do you get 1 = -1 from that?

You have 2kx(kx^2 + 1) - 2kx(kx^2 - 1) = 0
so 2k^2x^3 + 2kx - 2k^2x^3 + 2kx = 0
so 4kx = 0
and therefore ...

Reply 13

Original post by davros
How on earth do you get 1 = -1 from that?

You have 2kx(kx^2 + 1) - 2kx(kx^2 - 1) = 0
so 2k^2x^3 + 2kx - 2k^2x^3 + 2kx = 0
so 4kx = 0
and therefore ...


oh... so I should have multiplied out the brackets. Thanks

Reply 14

Original post by Pride
oh... so I should have multiplied out the brackets. Thanks


Not necessarily - you could have factorized and simplified.

I think what happened is that you divided by zero without realising it!!

Reply 15

Original post by davros
Not necessarily - you could have factorized and simplified.

I think what happened is that you divided by zero without realising it!!


pretty sure I didn't do that.

I'm not sure what I did wrong first time, I just followed your way instead... If you look at my working out, I can't actually see anything wrong with it. I did skip a step to get to -1 = 1.

Reply 16

Original post by Pride
pretty sure I didn't do that.

I'm not sure what I did wrong first time, I just followed your way instead... If you look at my working out, I can't actually see anything wrong with it. I did skip a step to get to -1 = 1.


Exactly! Just remind us of the step you skipped :smile:

Reply 17

Original post by davros
Exactly! Just remind us of the step you skipped :smile:



\dfrac{ 2kx(kx^2+1)-2kx(kx^2-1) }{doesn't matter} = 0

2kx(kx^2+1) -2kx(kx^2-1) = 0

2kx(kx^2+1) = 2kx(kx^2-1)

kx^2+1 = kx^2-1

1 = -1


?

Reply 18

Original post by Pride

\dfrac{ 2kx(kx^2+1)-2kx(kx^2-1) }{doesn't matter} = 0

2kx(kx^2+1) -2kx(kx^2-1) = 0

2kx(kx^2+1) = 2kx(kx^2-1)

kx^2+1 = kx^2-1

1 = -1


?

As I thought - you've divided by zero (more accurately, you divided by 2kx but you didn't know whether x was zero or not, so you've "lost" the solution you were meant to find!).

Reply 19

Original post by davros
As I thought - you've divided by zero (more accurately, you divided by 2kx but you didn't know whether x was zero or not, so you've "lost" the solution you were meant to find!).


oh...

I've never come across a problem like this before... okay well thanks for your help