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Annoying-Mouse
I think your against it because it might ‘offend’ people (Muslims). But, why your forgetting is that they are not trying to offend Muslims rather Islam or Mohamed. If Muslims get offended in the process, why should it matter? Nobody has the right not to be offended. If people want to draw Mohamed in a derogatory manner than let them, you and I he was no Mother Teresa. The organisation of the event means more publicity. This will result in extremist getting aware of this. The extremist can’t punish everyone who participates, therefore the message that will be delivered is clear, “don’t **** with our shows or nations and we won’t **** with your prophet or religion”. :smile:

So its ok if a racist offends a coloured person or a jew is offended by some sick holocaust denial joke just for ''free speech''
Beliefs shouldn't be put on a pedestal...
Annoying-Mouse
And what does that mean? I am prejudiced towards Islam? I am scared of Islam? Of course, I will be. I don’t know why this word is being used like it means a lot, it like labour or conservative coming up with a word that means you are scared of their beliefs or are prejudiced against their beliefs.


You really think anti-semitism is a good thing? :eyeball:
Annoying-Mouse
I think your against it because it might ‘offend’ people (Muslims). But, why your forgetting is that they are not trying to offend Muslims rather Islam or Mohamed. If Muslims get offended in the process, why should it matter? Nobody has the right not to be offended. If people want to draw Mohamed in a derogatory manner than let them, you and I he was no Mother Teresa. The organisation of the event means more publicity. This will result in extremist getting aware of this. The extremist can’t punish everyone who participates, therefore the message that will be delivered is clear, “don’t **** with our shows or nations and we won’t **** with your prophet or religion”. :smile:



You can't offend a religion - a religion is nothing without it's followers. Offending Islam is just offending Muslims.

I hate not being able to explain what I mean :p: I completely agree that you have the right to say whatever you want, to whoever you want. A totally PC world is a **** world, in my opinion. Yeah this might make a impact on extremists but my point is that it's not just extremists that are going to be affected. Think of all the generations of people who have grown up with a deep respect for Mohammed - this would hurt some of them I'm sure. This applies to other religions as well - I'm not just backing Islam.

It's the principle that's wrong, not the actual drawing. If you want to attack the extremists who don't tolerate your view, then attack them, but don't hurt the innocent people who lie in the middle ground - that's all.
But ignorance should.
Reply 85
Even dawahfilms made a youtube video encouraging muslims to draw caligraphy of muhammed's name to show solidarity from the fundies who kill/threaten people for drawing him. So it can't be all bad if a muslim is telling other muslims to join in and send a message to the extremists
jumpingjesusholycow
You really think anti-semitism is a good thing? :eyeball:


That's leaning towards racism, it's different.
jumpingjesusholycow
You really think anti-semitism is a good thing? :eyeball:


Anti-Semitism would be mocked if it were referring to the prejudice of Jews (as in followers of Judaism), but it isn’t. It is referring to them as an ethnic group. That is a bad thing, because these guys didn’t choose to be Jews, there is no set of beliefs they all adhere to.
Super_Hans
Tbh, the way I see it, it's more the principle than the actual drawing of mohammed. And I think it does need to be organised - it is like a petition or a protest - if there are thousands of protesters in the same place they are more likely to be noticed than if it is one in every town, for example. And yes, I am anti-Islamic, as I feel that religion does not have a place in today's society, where everyone should have equality, no matter what their sexual orientation or gender (which are the main points of religion I disagree with). However, I respect people's rights to believe what they want, even if I don't agree with it. Unfortunately, in this case, it seems to be a one way street.


I literally just said that to someone else:

It's the principle that's wrong, not the actual drawing


LOL this is starting to piss me off. I agree with basically everything you just said. But I really think it's unnecessary to make such a stand. The proportion of extremists to normal Muslims is small - whilst making a stand against a minority is it okay to hurt the majority?

I get what you're saying - there are Muslims out there who won't tolerate your views, or mine. But that's religion - you get people like that in every faith, or non-faith for that matter.
Charzhino
So its ok if a racist offends a coloured person or a jew is offended by some sick holocaust denial joke just for ''free speech''


No. But, the coloured person has the right to be offended. Also, racism is not the same as prejudice or hatred to a BELIEF. Yes, I believe people should be able to be holocaust deniers. I am glad we don’t have any laws that make you silent your views. The holocaust was all victims. No of them deserved it. Mohamed isn’t a victim. He started a cult/religion. His religion has some sexism (women not being allowed to marry more than one men, women not being allowed to travel to different countries on their own) and even killed people because of the fact that they changed religions
Annoying-Mouse
Why, though? Islam is a belief, it has the right to be criticised. No one gets angry when you criticise Mormonism who believe that being black is a sin, why get angry when you criticise Islam who believe women can't go to different countries without a relative escort or apostasies are killed? Not everyone agrees with it, therefore people have the right to express their feelings towards it.


No actually no you are wrong, no one reserves the right to critcise any religion. Religion is religion, there's no two ways about it. If you're outside of that religion and you have no understanding of it, but merely read snippets here and there doesn't give you the right to start becoming a learned scholar and attaching your own critique upon it.

Mormonism is a religion and I will not criticise it, but it was not a religion that was descended through scriptures i.e. not from God. Any religion that advocates that being black is a sin, is no religion at all, but that's a discussion for another day.

It does not say women are not allowed to go to a different country without a male, it is not an obligation. Rather it is to safeguard her chastity and her well-being. You can't seriously criticise Islam for advocating the well-being of a woman. Indeed the religion is completely against violence, only in the last resort when peace cannot be obtained is violence necessary, to defend oneself.

Everyone has their own opinion, but that opinion is to be reserved when it comes to religion. Since you are not a muslim you have no right to criticise it. It does not affect your life in any shape or form.

P.S. Next time you use an example to criticise any religion, do make sure that it is coherent, because you're sounding like a right twerp to me, an Islamophobe to be precise.
mikeylfc1989
That's leaning towards racism, it's different.


Anti-semiitism and racism are not the same thing :nothing:
Annoying-Mouse
No. But, the coloured person has the right to be offended. Also, racism is not the same as prejudice or hatred to a BELIEF. Yes, I believe people should be able to be holocaust deniers. I am glad we don’t have any laws that make you silent your views. The holocaust was all victims. No of them deserved it. Mohamed isn’t a victim. He started a cult/religion. His religion has some sexism (women not being allowed to marry more than one men, women not being allowed to travel to different countries on their own) and even killed people because of the fact that they changed religions

According to who? You?
jumpingjesusholycow
Anti-semiitism and racism are not the same thing :nothing:


Yes, they are. Because anti-Semitism refers to prejudice towards Semites (ethnic group)
Reply 94
ibysaiyan
No creation of pens or colors would match my ancestors likeliness. *yawns* A good way to freedom? Oh sure is after all one in every four on this planet is pleased.Such a great way to live in peace. Bravo noble price anyone ?

what?
jumpingjesusholycow
Anti-semiitism and racism are not the same thing :nothing:


No. Antisemitism refers Judaism as well as Jews. Jews are pretty much their own ethnic group, not quite racism but it's similar.

Disclaimer: If you disagree with me, you will just end up looking stupid.
Reply 96
I was wondering what exactly drawing Muhammed will achieve? All I see, is that it further escalates the segregation between Muslims and Non-Muslims and stirs up trouble. I think it is pathetic.
People claim that such drawings are not against Islam and muslims but only against Extremist Muslims.
Drawing Muhammed is offensive to Muslims. It would further push muslims into extremism. That isn't really a good thing.
People talk of freedom of expression. That is a qualified right and does not include hatred.
What concerns me is that, we have people on TSR who are really dumbfounded. Extremist muslims represent themselves (you can't put figure on this as it is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000001%). They do not Islam or the rest of the majority of muslims.
Annoying-Mouse
Yes, they are. Because anti-Semitism refers to prejudice towards Semites (ethnic group)


'Semite' doesn't refer to an ethnic group you moron, it refers to the 'Semetic languages' which include both Hebrew and Arabic, spoken by both Jews and Muslims. ******* idiot.
Reply 98
Its not 'freedom of speech'.

'Everybody Draw Muhammad Day' = 'Everybody lets show the world our lack of intellect day'

Disrespectful, and disgusting.
maximusbarr
No actually no you are wrong, no one reserves the right to critcise any religion. Religion is religion, there's no two ways about it. If you're outside of that religion and you have no understanding of it, but merely read snippets here and there doesn't give you the right to start becoming a learned scholar and attaching your own critique upon it.

Mormonism is a religion and I will not criticise it, but it was not a religion that was descended through scriptures i.e. not from God. Any religion that advocates that being black is a sin, is no religion at all, but that's a discussion for another day.

It does not say women are not allowed to go to a different country without a male, it is not an obligation. Rather it is to safeguard her chastity and her well-being. You can't seriously criticise Islam for advocating the well-being of a woman. Indeed the religion is completely against violence, only in the last resort when peace cannot be obtained is violence necessary, to defend oneself.

Everyone has their own opinion, but that opinion is to be reserved when it comes to religion. Since you are not a muslim you have no right to criticise it. It does not affect your life in any shape or form.

P.S. Next time you use an example to criticise any religion, do make sure that it is coherent, because you're sounding like a right twerp to me, an Islamophobe to be precise.



You are talking complete and utter ****, right now. Religion is a flaming fairy tale, it is false. Islam only believes the abrahmic religion is the word of God and all other religions are false. I am going to criticised Mormonism because of the fact that it believe being a black is a sin. Erm, no. It is compulsory for a women to have a Mahran (relative escort) when travelling to different countries. Even if the women doesn’t want to, she stil has to.

PS, I used to be a Muslim. I get all my information from; local mosque, Quran, Hadith or tasfir.

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