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Humberside Police stopped a fifteen year old paper deliverer at 6:45am and informed him that he was breaking the law as someone of his age is not permitted to work before 7am.

The boy used to start his "round" and 7:15 but was forced to start earlier due to his college moving their start time from 9:00am to 8:30am.

The police officer told him off and advised that he best not be caught doing it again or he would be in serious trouble.

Thoughts / opinions? Correct law enforcement or just complete madness?

BTW if the paper deliverer and the newsagent came to some agreement that he was not actually "working" and payment was offered for some other chore I am sure that this law could be circumvented.
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Humberside Police stopped a fifteen year old paper deliverer at 6:45am and informed him that he was breaking the law as someone of his age is not permitted to work before 7am.

The boy used to start his "round" and 7:15 but was forced to start earlier due to his college moving their start time from 9:00am to 8:30am.

The police officer told him off and advised that he best not be caught doing it again or he would be in serious trouble.

Thoughts / opinions? Correct law enforcement or just complete madness?

BTW if the paper deliverer and the newsagent came to some agreement that he was not actually "working" and payment was offered for some other chore I am sure that this law could be circumvented.

seriously haven't the police got better things to do like catch real criminals
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seriously haven't the police got better things to do like catch real criminals
Er...yes!
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It wasn't the boy who was at fault but his employer.
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In an unrelated incident Welsh constabulary parked a camera van 30 yards before a 30 became a 60 and were clocking people on the way OUT of a residential area.

Now I could understand them doing it the other way round thus encouraging people to slow down as they enter a residential area but the above is just blatant revenue raising as people speed up towards the national speed limit.
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It wasn't the boy who was at fault but his employer.
does it matter the policeare full of **** i think the police in hull are **** scared off people they dare do anything to protect
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It wasn't the boy who was at fault but his employer.
I thought this could be the case.

My suggestion to them would be that the boy performs his weekly round as a favour to the newsagent who then pays him the money for some unrelated chore such as taking something to the post office or manning the till for five minutes.

This way he is not actually "earning" money when he is out at 6:45am.
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Humberside Police stopped a fifteen year old paper deliverer at 6:45am and informed him that he was breaking the law as someone of his age is not permitted to work before 7am.

The boy used to start his "round" and 7:15 but was forced to start earlier due to his college moving their start time from 9:00am to 8:30am.

The police officer told him off and advised that he best not be caught doing it again or he would be in serious trouble.

Thoughts / opinions? Correct law enforcement or just complete madness?

BTW if the paper deliverer and the newsagent came to some agreement that he was not actually "working" and payment was offered for some other chore I am sure that this law could be circumvented.
here the curfew is 12 to 5.....but anyway, where i live, the police make their livings off of tickets....they give them to anyone who they feel is breaking the law, even though it may be ridiculous.

did you guys here about the police officer that gave a 17 year old girl in NYC a ticket for sitting on the subway station steps because her back hurt? purely ridiculous *rollseyes*
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I thought this could be the case.

My suggestion to them would be that the boy performs his weekly round as a favour to the newsagent who then pays him the money for some unrelated chore such as taking something to the post office or manning the till for five minutes.

This way he is not actually "earning" money when he is out at 6:45am.
True the law would be easy to work around

However the law about not working before 7am is there for the boys protection - children under a certain age are limited in the hours they are allowed to work because working more than/outside those hours is considered to be against their best interests.

To comply in a work around of a law that's there to protect you is basically like sticking two fingers up at all the people who suffered and protested and campaigned to prevent child labour and protect workers.

It's like helping your employer pay you less than the minimum wage...you lose out and your employer gains.
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True the law would be easy to work around

However the law about not working before 7am is there for the boys protection - children under a certain age are limited in the hours they are allowed to work because working more than/outside those hours is considered to be against their best interests.

To comply in a work around of a law that's there to protect you is basically like sticking two fingers up at all the people who suffered and protested and campaigned to prevent child labour and protect workers.

It's like helping your employer pay you less than the minimum wage...you lose out and your employer gains.
but it wasnt really the boys fault......it was a ridiculous ticket, hes only delivering papers!
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Oh and I'm afraid I have no sympathy for anyone caught speeding - speed limits are widely publicised (and if you don't know them you shouldn't have passed your test) and anyone who *choses* to break the law shouldn't moan when forced to pay the consequences.
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but it wasnt really the boys fault......it was a ridiculous ticket, hes only delivering papers!
He didn't get a ticket but a warning

And to be honest everyone should be aware of their rights as an employee and not assist their employer in breaching those rights.
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but it wasnt really the boys fault......it was a ridiculous ticket, hes only delivering papers!
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Oh and I'm afraid I have no sympathy for anyone caught speeding - speed limits are widely publicised (and if you don't know them you shouldn't have passed your test) and anyone who *choses* to break the law shouldn't moan when forced to pay the consequences.
my mum broke the law she was caught speeding at 34 in a 30 mph area i think, and she had to go to a lechure, and they was all grown ups as my mum was the youngest there at 43, can i ask where all these boy racers are who i have personally seen down the same road racing. it makes me sick that they are going even faster like at 50mph but noooo they wouldn't get fined would they
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Humberside Police stopped a fifteen year old paper deliverer at 6:45am and informed him that he was breaking the law as someone of his age is not permitted to work before 7am.

The boy used to start his "round" and 7:15 but was forced to start earlier due to his college moving their start time from 9:00am to 8:30am.

The police officer told him off and advised that he best not be caught doing it again or he would be in serious trouble.

Thoughts / opinions? Correct law enforcement or just complete madness?

BTW if the paper deliverer and the newsagent came to some agreement that he was not actually "working" and payment was offered for some other chore I am sure that this law could be circumvented.
I hate the police. Though some things that they do, are quite humorous.
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my mum broke the law she was caught speeding at 34 in a 30 mph area i think, and she had to go to a lechure, and they was all grown ups as my mum was the youngest there at 43, can i ask where all these boy racers are who i have personally seen down the same road racing. it makes me sick that they are going even faster like at 50mph but noooo they wouldn't get fined would they
I apologise? I have been pulled five or six times by the police whilst on my motorbike, once it was for speeding, the other times it was just tedious things such as, wearing a tinted visor, not displaying L-plate (before I passed my test) or just because my engine was too loud. Silly things really.
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In an unrelated incident Welsh constabulary parked a camera van 30 yards before a 30 became a 60 and were clocking people on the way OUT of a residential area.

Now I could understand them doing it the other way round thus encouraging people to slow down as they enter a residential area but the above is just blatant revenue raising as people speed up towards the national speed limit.
But its still in the 30 limit, so is rightfully catching people. THe speed limit is 30mph right up until the sign, and therefore you cannot exceed 30mph. A 60 sign is not there because you have to be travelling at 60mph when you get to the sign, it is there to tell you that past that point you may travel at up to 60mph.
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my mum broke the law she was caught speeding at 34 in a 30 mph area i think, and she had to go to a lechure, and they was all grown ups as my mum was the youngest there at 43, can i ask where all these boy racers are who i have personally seen down the same road racing. it makes me sick that they are going even faster like at 50mph but noooo they wouldn't get fined would they
It's a shame that there is an element of luck in who gets caught speeding (personally I'm in favour of speed cameras *everywhere* as at least that punished the occassional offender and the repeated offender in the varying ways they deserve - this even though I do speed* on motorways (I'd be willing to slow down to 70mph if the limits were rigourously enforced and wouldn't resent recieving a ticket when I've knowingly broken the law)).

*Note I say on motorways - in town I'm positively anal about the speed limit being the *limit* and not a target.
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It's a shame that there is an element of luck in who gets caught speeding (personally I'm in favour of speed cameras *everywhere* as at least that punished the occassional offender and the repeated offender in the varying ways they deserve - this even though I do speed* on motorways (I'd be willing to slow down to 70mph if the limits were rigourously enforced and wouldn't resent recieving a ticket when I've knowingly broken the law)).

*Note I say on motorways - in town I'm positively anal about the speed limit being the *limit* and not a target.

my mum knows that she was in the wrong, i agree in speed cameras but why hide them, as alot of people are saying its so they can get money of the public, and i think its working
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my mum knows that she was in the wrong, i agree in speed cameras but why hide them, as alot of people are saying its so they can get money of the public, and i think its working
I believe that legally the police must post signs to say that speed cameras are in operation.
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