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    (Original post by milady)
    Yeah, you're right.

    What counts, in education, is where you're top people are. So that is basically post grad level.

    Say your country has high overall literacy rates. Say tons of people are gaining degrees. If you don't have your brightest scientists at the same level in terms of researching and producing technological advances as another country's, then your education level isn't as high as theirs. So what if they have lower literacy rates.

    Because a breakthrough at the highest level of maths, science, engineering ( or whatever) filters down. A patent is made, a company is able to produce a new and better product, that equals higher profits and more jobs, and so everyone benefits.

    When you look at american unis, like yawn said, they have the most nobel prize winners. Imo, their unis are at the cutting edge of research (and so better with education). Not so much because they have a larger population, but because the funding is there. Harvard, for instance, is pretty well-off.
    Well, whether research should be regarded in the same way as education is debatable.

    A generally well-educated population with high literacy rates certainly has its advantages over a minor intellectual elite.

    It cannot be denied that research is incredibly important- and the US dominates almost every field it puts its resources towards.

    However, it is a much larger and wealthier country which would be assumed to have achieved more in quantifiable terms.

    Whether the US is the most efficient as producing high quality research is debatable, however- which clouds the issue as to whether it is better in terms of 'education'.

    I.e. Look at this ranking, which although it is somewhat absurd, ranks countries by achievement compared to population;

    http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/Nobels.html

    Is an education system better if it is more effective at 'educating' or efficient at providing world-class research?

    Or should it be based on the raw amount of works produced- regardless of inequalities in size and resources?
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    I know a lot about American geogprahy from TV shows, or books, or computer games or - hell - ANYTHING set in the USA taks about some sort of place. Everyone knows that the stereotypical texan is a cowboy, redneck or, apparently, slightly soggy black person. Everyone knows that you're stereotypical californian is a weed smoking, daddy's girl airhead. Everyone knows Alaskans are weird. This is all just from TV and books that i have read, and a few American friends i have.

    Do you know what a stereotypical northerner is compared to a southerner in the UK? Either way, i'm sure whether you do or not has to do with how much interaction you've had with British culture, be it through TV, films, or even TSR. All i'm saying is that part of the reason for your average Yanks ignorance to outside affairs isn't through lack of caring (though that might be a biproduct), it's because they aren't indocrinated with it like we are. I don't "expect" them to know where the Isle of Wight is, but that doesn't make them any less ignorant, even if it is not fault of their own.
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    In response to SATs being as easy as GCSE's...

    You obviously don't know how one applies to university in the US. The SATs are not hard. But firstly, they are graded on a curve--the performance of other people who take it determines your own score.

    Secondly, the British system is very exam dependent in admissions. US universities look for well rounded students. To get into a good university in the US you need
    1 good SAT scores
    2 good SAT subject test scores (biology, chemistry, history, etc)
    3. great grades/GPA
    4. strong extracurricular activity
    5. good personal statement and recommendations
    6. good AP scores (for top unis)
    The SAT is honestly just one part of the process so it doesn't really matter if they're easy. If you have perfect SAT scores and a C average in high school you're not getting into a good university.

    So...no, we're not "zinged" at all.
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    (Original post by shady lane)
    In response to SATs being as easy as GCSE's...

    You obviously don't know how one applies to university in the US. The SATs are not hard. But firstly, they are graded on a curve--the performance of other people who take it determines your own score.

    Secondly, the British system is very exam dependent in admissions. US universities look for well rounded students. To get into a good university in the US you need
    1 good SAT scores
    2 good SAT subject test scores (biology, chemistry, history, etc)
    3. great grades/GPA
    4. strong extracurricular activity
    5. good personal statement and recommendations
    6. good AP scores (for top unis)
    The SAT is honestly just one part of the process so it doesn't really matter if they're easy. If you have perfect SAT scores and a C average in high school you're not getting into a good university.

    So...no, we're not "zinged" at all.
    Yeah, never underestimate the extracurriculars. Interviewers were far more impressed by my martial arts and dance training than by my SAT scores and grades, which were quite good. I couldn't help but think that I could have gotten a 900 on my SATs (A very low score, for uninformed Britons), but just break a board, and they would let me in, anyway. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    Yeah, never underestimate the extracurriculars. Interviewers were far more impressed by my martial arts and dance training than by my SAT scores and grades, which were quite good. I couldn't help but think that I could have gotten a 900 on my SATs (A very low score, for uninformed Britons), but just break a board, and they would let me in, anyway. :rolleyes:
    You have to admit that knowing martial arts might be a prerequisite for not getting killed in Pittburgh. :p:
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    (Original post by DanGrover)
    Of course, most British here only know so much about America because we're indoctrinated with their culture through TV.
    That has to be one of the funniest things I've read on this forum. The British don't know the first thing about America. On TSR, I could count on one hand the number of people knowledgeable about the US (about 3 people come to mind) that aren't American. I find the ignorance of most of the TSR people very amusing and that's one of the reasons why I check the site every day.

    TV is for entertainment purposes and it's not really good for much else. What could you possibly learn about the typical American from the Jerry Springer show or married with children?

    Your press is even worse than television at portraying America, if that's even possible. I just read this in the Guardian and it's such a hateful piece of trash masquerading as journalism, I can't even believe there is an audience for this nonsense. The paper has high enough circulation to support itself, so a lot of people must think there is some value to spending their time reading it.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    Your press is even worse than television at portraying America, if that's even possible. I just read this in the Guardian and it's such a hateful piece of trash masquerading as journalism, I can't even believe there is an audience for this nonsense. The paper has high enough circulation to support itself, so a lot of people must think there is some value to spending their time reading it.
    Marx couldn't have said it better.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    You have to admit that knowing martial arts might be a prerequisite for not getting killed in Pittburgh. :p:
    Killed by whom? The roving bands of grey-haired, retired steel mill workers?

    [Oh God! I just got a mental image of a polka-fied version of West Side Story! :p: ]
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    That has to be one of the funniest things I've read on this forum. The British don't know the first thing about America. On TSR, I could count on one hand the number of people knowledgeable about the US (about 3 people come to mind) that aren't American. I find the ignorance of most of the TSR people very amusing and that's one of the reasons why I check the site every day.
    Who the hell are you to say that the ignorance of some people is amusing? You consistently come out with utter horsemeat arguments such as "BBC claims George Bush is an assasin", "BBC are trying to claim that Pat Robertson is representative of the Whitehouse", "Hilary Bush raising her voice excludes her from the possibility of being President", etc. Come on, I don't want to get into personal remarks, but don't be so disgustingly arrogant as to make this sound like you're so high and mighty, sitting at your computer laughing at comments, basking in your knowledge.

    No matter how tightly you're holding your nose, your sh*t stinks too, trust me.
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    (Original post by Douglas)
    I haven't seen that one, but not surprised she said it. Coulter says a lot of thing with tongue in cheek, but when you get down to the nuts and bolts, Canada *is* lucky we allow them to exist.........France too.

    PS this is not arrogance....it's fantasy
    You're right, Douglas, we have allowed Canada to exist. The Canadian military is absurdly underfunded and they have weapons that should be in a museum, not on a battlefield. They are completely dependent on the American military. Ann Coulter exaggerates to make her points and that's what makes her so entertaining, but the premise of most of her arguments is sound.
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    (Original post by Tonight Matthew)
    Who the hell are you to say that the ignorance of some people is amusing? You consistently come out with utter horsemeat arguments such as "BBC claims George Bush is an assasin", "BBC are trying to claim that Pat Robertson is representative of the Whitehouse", "Hilary Bush raising her voice excludes her from the possibility of being President", etc. Come on, I don't want to get into personal remarks, but don't be so disgustingly arrogant as to make this sound like you're so high and mighty, sitting at your computer laughing at comments, basking in your knowledge.

    No matter how tightly you're holding your nose, your sh*t stinks too, trust me.
    Come on, Matthew, I never said that Hillary couldn't run. Someone said she was shrill and I substantiated that argument with an excerpt from a speech she made. In this country, it's undignified for politicians to raise their voice in that manner and her political opponents have and will continue to use that audio against her. As for the BBC, what's the problem? The BBC called Bush an assassin in their headlines and they are trying to tie Pat Robertson to the Whitehouse. I gave you the quotes, so it's not like I couldn't back up what I was saying.

    I was responding to someone who claimed he was knowledgeable about the US from watching American television. I never claimed to be particularly knowledgeable about anyone's culture but my own, but I'm sure I've visited Britain more often than 98% of TSR members have visited the US.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    Come on, Matthew, I never said that Hillary couldn't run. Someone said she was shrill and I substantiated that argument with an excerpt from a speech she made. In this country, it's undignified for politicians to raise their voice in that manner and her political opponents have and will continue to use that audio against her. As for the BBC, what's the problem? The BBC called Bush an assassin in their headlines and they are trying to tie Pat Robertson to the Whitehouse. I gave you the quotes, so it's not like I couldn't back up what I was saying.
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...45#post2886845 - please reply to each of my responses to each of your claims, then.

    And about Hilary: that audio clip really won't get used if Republicans have half a brain (I am aware this could be a large 'if'). It'd be like the Kerry campaign using an audio excerpt of George Bush shouting "John Kerry is weak on defence and turned his back on his fellow Americans after the Vietnam war" just because he raised his voice when saying it.
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    (Original post by Alewhey)
    All I know is, American SATs are hilariously easy for anyone with decent GCSEs.

    ZING!
    You can only say that if you score a 1600 or 2400 in the new version.

    Besides that, no...it isn't easy to score 1550+.

    Even many Harvard students--whom I guarantee are smarter than most of us--didn't obtain perfect scores.

    So please don't criticize unless you're perfect.

    Unless of you course you mean people with decent GCSEs taking it for a sh*tty score....
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    Yeah, never underestimate the extracurriculars. Interviewers were far more impressed by my martial arts and dance training than by my SAT scores and grades, which were quite good. I couldn't help but think that I could have gotten a 900 on my SATs (A very low score, for uninformed Britons), but just break a board, and they would let me in, anyway. :rolleyes:
    You're probably being facetious, but....

    Depends on what university you attend...do you go to a good one?

    Because the Ivies and other competitive universities wouldn't let you in on a 900--they'd probably send you to re*ard school.
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    (Original post by DanGrover)
    I think you'd find very few people who don't know that Brooklyn is in New York, i'm serious. And yes, i have been to America 3 times.
    FFS. I lived in the UK for a little bit and go there every year for months.

    Let's create an anti-British thread..."because you're so arrogant"...note I'm basically elucidating what you did except you've only been to America 3 times--and probably "touristy" areas.
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    (Original post by rewmck)
    Actually the British education system is a lot better than the american one and if you read The world according to Jeremy Clarkson you will learn how his friends in nasa have admitted putting a man on the moon was much easier than building concorde. Considering the population in america is more than 4 times greater than britain you are going to have more Genius people than us and that is why America is the richest nation in the world but it doesn't mean you are smarter it just means you are a bigger country

    Actually American universities are unbeatable...however our education below the university level isn't as good.

    We start out doing well in the elementary level, but then in high school our maths and science fall behind. However, our universities are still supreme......
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    (Original post by DanGrover)
    I know a lot about American geogprahy from TV shows, or books, or computer games or - hell - ANYTHING set in the USA taks about some sort of place. Everyone knows that the stereotypical texan is a cowboy, redneck or, apparently, slightly soggy black person. Everyone knows that you're stereotypical californian is a weed smoking, daddy's girl airhead. Everyone knows Alaskans are weird. This is all just from TV and books that i have read, and a few American friends i have.

    Do you know what a stereotypical northerner is compared to a southerner in the UK? Either way, i'm sure whether you do or not has to do with how much interaction you've had with British culture, be it through TV, films, or even TSR. All i'm saying is that part of the reason for your average Yanks ignorance to outside affairs isn't through lack of caring (though that might be a biproduct), it's because they aren't indocrinated with it like we are. I don't "expect" them to know where the Isle of Wight is, but that doesn't make them any less ignorant, even if it is not fault of their own.

    F*cking hell. The Isle of Wight can be sailed to from Southampton--it's not that difficult.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but Northerners think Southerners are more posh and more arrogant. Also the Northern accent is incomprehensible whilst the Southern accent I can comprehend. Ok, but I have spent a bit of time in the Uk..so maybe I'm not the completely "ignorant" American.

    Ok, i'm from California--daddy's girl eh? Watching too much of the OC? lol.....

    Just like everyone in the UK speaks posh like Hugh Grant ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lolllllllll
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    You're right, Douglas, we have allowed Canada to exist. The Canadian military is absurdly underfunded and they have weapons that should be in a museum, not on a battlefield. They are completely dependent on the American military. Ann Coulter exaggerates to make her points and that's what makes her so entertaining, but the premise of most of her arguments is sound.
    Exactly USA, her arguments, though embellished, are right on target.

    As for the Canadians, they're socialists, they allow safe have for American deserters, potential terrorists (case in point, the potential Seatle bomber) and others......All the while, they know that the U.S. will protect them in time of need.
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    (Original post by SlyPie)
    You're probably being facetious, but....
    :top:

    Depends on what university you attend...do you go to a good one?
    No, I based my choice on the exotic location, close proximity to the beach, and the pretty people on the brochure. :rolleyes:

    Because the Ivies and other competitive universities wouldn't let you in on a 900--they'd probably send you to re*ard school.
    Actually, all of the Ivies that I applied to, and was accepted to, were the ones least interested in my academic abilities. They just wanted to hear about my athletic training and charity work and all that supposedly inconsequential stuff that they probably shouldn't care about. Of course, I'm assuming (and HOPING) that they wouldn't have interviewed me if my transcript looked like alphabet soup. Still, you never can tell with those crazies... :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by DanGrover)
    it's because they aren't indocrinated with it like we are. I don't "expect" them to know where the Isle of Wight is, but that doesn't make them any less ignorant, even if it is not fault of their own.
    You know Dan, The good thing about the internet, is that we can learn a lot about each other.
 
 
 
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