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Reply 1
dhokes
Could someone help me with the following questions plz:

1. find the Cartesian equation of the curve:
x=2cosecØ
y=2cotØ

2. find the Cartesian equation of the curve:
x=2cosØ-1
y=3+2sinØ

Cheers


Hi there,
You can use trigonometric identities for these.
For example, for the first question you can write cosecØ and cotØ in terms of x and y respectively, then use a standard trigonometric identity you should know that connects cosecØ and cotØ for all values of Ø.
The solution to Q2 is very similar but with a different identity that should be even more familiar to you.
Reply 2
thanks, i've managed to do them now
Reply 3
I'll talk you through the first question.
Right, for parametric questions involving trig functions its always a good idea to look at the sin^2 + cos^2 = 1 formula. If we divide this by sin^2 we get 1 + cot^2 = cosec^2. This is particularly useful to us. We can write x/2 = cosec(theta) and y/2 = cot(theta). Sub these into the equation I've just derived before and we get 1 + (y/2)^2 = (x/2)^2 which is the equation of this curve.
I'll let you work the second one out yourself but you do it in exactly the same way. I was always told to "elimate the variable that leaves you with just x and y in the equation" but I was never sure what that meant with trig. You just look for an identity that links the two x and y equations and generally speaking sin^2 + cos^2 = 1 will do this for you, although I have seen double angle formulae used for this purpose too.
Have a go at the second one yourself and post your answer back and we'll check it for you. If anyone wants to write what I put in tex then feel free, I don't have time to work it out myself now. Thanks.
Reply 4
I'm having trouble with this one as I don't know which trig function to use:

x=sin^2Ø
y=sin^22Ø

mysticboy, cheers, that's exactly what i did.
Reply 5
Do you mean x=sin2θ,y=sin22θx=\sin^2 \theta,y=\sin^2 2\theta?
If so, try writing sin22θ\sin^2 2\theta in terms of single angles.
Reply 6
Yeah I do mean that and does

sin^22Ø = sin^2Ø + sin^2Ø

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Reply 7
Nope, sin22θ2sin2θ\sin^2 2\theta \neq 2\sin^2 \theta. Indeed, sinaθasinθ\sin a\theta \neq a\sin \theta.
Start from the identity for sin2θ\sin 2\theta in terms of sinθ\sin \theta and cosθ\cos \theta.
Reply 8
Gaz031
Nope, sin22θ2sin2θ\sin^2 2\theta \neq 2\sin^2 \theta. Indeed, sinaθasinθ\sin a\theta \neq a\sin \theta.
Start from the identity for sin2θ\sin 2\theta in terms of sinθ\sin \theta and cosθ\cos \theta.


sin2Ø = 2sinØcosØ, so:

sin^22Ø = 2sin^2Øcos^2Ø
Reply 9
dhokes
sin2Ø = 2sinØcosØ, so:

sin^22Ø = 2sin^2Øcos^2Ø

Rethink the second line.
dhokes
sin2Ø = 2sinØcosØ, so:

sin^22Ø = 2sin^2Øcos^2Ø

sin²2Ø = (2sinØcosØ)² = 4sin²Øcos²Ø
Reply 11
Thanks Windowmaker.

I have another question which is more complex.

Find the area of the region between the following curves, which are defined parametrically, adn the x-axis between the given values of Ø.

Between Ø=π/6 and Ø=π/3
x=2sinØ
y=sin^2Ø

I would be very grateful if someone could plz tell me how to answer the question.

Thanks
Reply 12
First you can note that the curve is above the x axis for all values of the parameter in the given range and thus it will be fine to use our standard integration formulae (remember that if the curve is below the x axis then the 'area' comes out negative and thus if you were to include both negative and positive 'areas' in the same question you'd be making a mistake).
You know that the standard formula for finding the area between the curve y=f(x), the x axis and the lines x=a, x=b is xaxbydx\int_{x_{a}}^{x_{b}} y dx. We can generalise this for parametric curves by using the chain rule to get tatbydxdtdt\int_{t_{a}}^{t_{b}} y \frac{dx}{dt} dt where ta,tbt_{a}, t_{b} are the values of the parameter at the ends of your integration.
You now just need to work out dxdt\frac{dx}{dt} and proceed to carry out the integral.
Reply 13
dhokes
Thanks Windowmaker.

I have another question which is more complex.

Find the area of the region between the following curves, which are defined parametrically, adn the x-axis between the given values of Ø.

Between Ø=π/6 and Ø=π/3
x=2sinØ
y=sin^2Ø

I would be very grateful if someone could plz tell me how to answer the question.

Thanks


Differentiate the x = 2sinØ to find dx/dØ. Then solve ∫y(dx/dØ)dØ which is the same as ∫ y dx [imagine the fractions cancelling if it helps you to remember.]

Obviously include the limits that you have outlined.

Can anyone confirm this is a valid method?
Reply 14
samd
Differentiate the x = 2sinØ to find dx/dØ.]
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dx/dØ = 2cosØ


samd
Then solve ∫y(dx/dØ)dØ which is the same as ∫ y dx [imagine the fractions cancelling if it helps you to remember.]
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∫sin²Ø x 2cosØ ??? Is that correct?? I'm quite confused :confused:

If that is correct so far, how do u integrate the above??

∫sin²Ø = x/2 - sin(2x)/4 ??
∫2cosØ = 2sinØ + C ??

How have I done so far??