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(Original post by vienna95)
i think you seriously have to do some thinking..

the BNP have a right to be heard, were the public to vote for them then they would be awarded power. this is not the case. the whole idea of democracy is that of 'power by the people'. there is a clear distinction between allowing them a voice and them making up government. a distinction that even the most basic of politic students should grasp..

from your assumption that my belief that the BNP has a right to be heard equates to a desire to support their policies, i can only say you have yet to grasp this concept..
The fact that everyone has a right to be heard is not something only the 'basic' politics students should grasp. It is common sense and the foundation of democracy. By hearing them, it doesn't mean people are going to support them.
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You can't seem to grasp the concept that my impression is based on more than one thread. :rolleyes:
that surely weakens it...
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(Original post by vienna95)
that surely weakens it...
Yeah....

I don't see how my concern of the BNP getting power equates to me not believing in freedom of speech. Another concept you are failing to grasp.

Maybe I've struck a chord by criticising your preferred party.
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Yeah....

I don't see how my concern of the BNP getting power equates to me not believing in freedom of speech. Another concept you are failing to grasp.

Maybe I've struck a chord by criticising your preferred party.
perhaps you have a short memory...

"in theory/practice the BNP does have a right to be heard, whether you like it or not."

to which you reply,

"How reassuring, I look forward to the Nazi party mach II coming into power. "
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(Original post by vienna95)
perhaps you have a short memory...

"in theory/practice the BNP does have a right to be heard, whether you like it or not."

to which you reply,

"How reassuring, I look forward to the Nazi party mach II coming into power. "
Thank you for proving my point.

Where exactly did I write that they don't have a right to be heard.
I was just conveying disgust of their policies.
Anyone who has seen the documentary on them will realise that they can't be taken seriously. A bunch a racist bigots pretending to be a real party. Quite tragic really.
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(Original post by Bigcnee)
Thank you for proving my point.

Where exactly did I write that they don't have a right to be heard.
I was just conveying disgust of their policies.
haha, youve learnt alot from me i can see...
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haha, youve learnt alot from me i can see...
Don't flatter yourself.
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Don't flatter yourself.
hmm,touchy. your volte-face post-criticism and then an absurdly amusing suggestion of my party preferences would explain that..
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alot
Shocking stuff...
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hmm,touchy. your volte-face post-criticism and then an absurdly amusing suggestion of my party preferences would explain that..
Your desire to be my mentor is quite harrowing.

Volte-face?
Your non-pressing of this point surely means you've accepted your mistake.
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Your desire to be my mentor is quite harrowing.

Volte-face?
Your non-pressing of this point surely means you've accepted your mistake.
there never was one....
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hahahahahaaha.....it wasnt sunnis vs shias i think you'll find saddam persecuted both ....shias in the south and sunni kurds in the north....anyone who did anything to threaten his position regardless of their sect or religion
hehe to you to, he persecuted the sunnis becasue they were kurds, but all the members of the ruling Baath party (or a huge majority) were the minority sunnis. So he did benefit his religious group more (although he was a secular leader). He couldn't have become too religious or the ayatollahs in Iran would have got him kicked out.
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oh so democracy allows the likes of the BNP to go round causing racial hatred, encouraging racial violence???????!!!!!...(remember the race riot of oldham etc.......) i think not democracy is about freedom but also about fairness and equality...why should we allow a party to persecute ethnic minorities?!
democracy is not about equality in any way shape or form (except in front of the law), which is why they can say what they like. You are then persecuting a minority if you want to shut the BNP up.
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The fact that everyone has a right to be heard is not something only the 'basic' politics students should grasp. It is common sense and the foundation of democracy. By hearing them, it doesn't mean people are going to support them.
in fact they will probably lose support as everyone will realise what racist, bigoted thugs they are.
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i think we shud kill-roy hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah




ps. sorry if my AMAZING joke has already been posted
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i think we shud kill-roy hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah




ps. sorry if my AMAZING joke has already been posted
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You are then persecuting a minority if you want to shut the BNP up.
Who, in turn, persecute minorities.
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Who, in turn, persecute minorities.
Correct.
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Who, in turn, persecute minorities.
but by protecting minorities you are protecting their rights of free speech and freedom of opinion by restricting that of others. Both groups are allowed to believe what they want.
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but by protecting minorities you are protecting their rights of free speech and freedom of opinion by restricting that of others. Both groups are allowed to believe what they want.
Surely in this model democracy you hold so dear, everyone should have total freedom of speech.
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