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    (Original post by Bigcnee)
    ....and writing for a Tory paper.
    You find out who the real socialists are when you wave a large cheque in front of them.
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    (Original post by JSM)
    all - celebating september 11, they were only the ones that got shown in the media because the media reinforces stereotypes and this is what people wanted to see. To know that there was an enemy. 3,000 dead is not that many. I am sorry, but US inaction caused far more deaths in many countires.
    oh - this reminds me, actually. the footage shown on 9/11 was actually 6 months old.
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    (Original post by xAngelx)
    and people who protested about the war when bush came here were sick individuals as it was just a day after a terrorist attack, and these protesters where protecting them
    Are you talking about the UK protests?
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    You find out who the real socialists are when you wave a large cheque in front of them.
    Oh dear...

    Little Huntroyde is bringing out quotes from Maggie.com. How relevant. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by kildare)
    I presume that people who are referring to the "people dancing in the streets after September 11th" are aware that the pictures that CNN released were later discovered to be pictures of people dancing in celebration of a completely separate event, long before the attacks on the Twin Towers even occurred. And they say there is no such thing as "Western Propaganda"....
    oops. great minds et al.
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    (Original post by kildare)
    I presume that people who are referring to the "people dancing in the streets after September 11th" are aware that the pictures that CNN released were later discovered to be pictures of people dancing in celebration of a completely separate event, long before the attacks on the Twin Towers even occurred. And they say there is no such thing as "Western Propaganda"....
    Sickening.
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    (Original post by kildare)
    "Arabs are inferior"- how is this view anything other than racist?
    depends what context..and is that a quote? and is it in context?
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    (Original post by llama boy)
    oops. great minds et al.
    quite
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    You find out who the real socialists are when you wave a large cheque in front of them.
    Even better, non sequential used cash notes in £20 and £5 denominations.
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    (Original post by kildare)
    I presume that people who are referring to the "people dancing in the streets after September 11th" are aware that the pictures that CNN released were later discovered to be pictures of people dancing in celebration of a completely separate event, long before the attacks on the Twin Towers even occurred. And they say there is no such thing as "Western Propaganda"....
    ok, the ones the BBC showed, VT4, France2, FOX, ABC..NED1 then all the Finsbury Park mosque fiasco....what are you trying to deny?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    depends what context..and is that a quote? and is it in context?
    The line which runs right through the article is just that. Between wild accusations, and shockingly inaccurate statements, the main "points" are "Arabs are inferior" and "Arabian society is inferior".
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    (Original post by vienna95)

    tell that to Abu Mazen and the fanatics that celebrated 9/11, called for the death of every non-believer. To Tariq Ali who wanted to see American soldiers die and Iraqis live in squalor just so we can see the US fail. The West as you so dogmatically put it(i wont say racist) , consists of a democratic and free US that is founded on Christian belief, and Europe, that ended its links with spirituality with the Enlightenment period. Neither is a barbaric, ageing or oppressive. and neither wants to end the world of those who dont believe in the dogmatic fairy tale that holds millions in poverty and fear of their lives.
    You are normally quite succint and smart and hold decent views but. I notice that he said most Arabs, there are fanatical christians too, look at the man in carge of hte hunt for Osama bin Laden. The US is not democratic, it is a form of democracy, which although more advanced than other directer forms of people power such as riots or terrorism is still not proper democracy. The US isnt that free, they still have laws against slander and you can get sued and therefore actions are limited by the fear of being sued. Your last sentence is probably true but does not have very nice implications for those muslims who hold shared values with you.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    ok, the ones the BBC showed, VT4, France2, FOX, ABC..NED1 then all the Finsbury Park mosque fiasco....what are you trying to deny?
    Admit that it is sickening that CNN would show six month-old footage and pass it off as something it is not.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    (The US) is (not) oppressive. and neither wants to end the world of those who dont believe in the dogmatic fairy tale that holds millions in poverty and fear of their lives.
    hehe. how ironic.

    you need to do some reading about globalisation, it seems.
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    (Original post by kildare)
    The line which runs right through the article is just that. Between wild accusations, and shockingly inaccurate statements, the main "points" are "Arabs are inferior" and "Arabian society is inferior".
    I think you have entirely missed the point of the article
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    (Original post by Bigcnee)
    Admit that it is sickening that CNN would show six month-old footage and pass it off as something it is not.
    those allegations were false.
    as were the 10-yr old ones and all the other crap that comes off of the net. the CNN footage is taken from Reuters...
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    ok, the ones the BBC showed, VT4, France2, FOX, ABC..NED1 then all the Finsbury Park mosque fiasco....what are you trying to deny?
    I'm not denying that some people celebrated the attacks (Arabs and otherwise) in the same way that some people celebrate pretty much anything, regardless of its barbarity. My point was mainly in response to those who were claiming that "the West" (oh how I hate that term) are never guilty of propaganda.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    those allegations were false.
    as were the 10-yr old ones and all the other crap that comes off of the net. the CNN footage is taken from Reuters...
    Source please.
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    (Original post by Dickie)
    I think you have entirely missed the point of the article
    Enlighten me then as to what exactly is the "point" of the article.
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    Kilroy can not say things like this as they are rascist, at a time when we should be trying to reconcile the differences between eastern and western views this is only going to blow the divide further apart which is good for no one. There are alot of sterotypes alot of which seem to have featured in this article without any evidence, the last thing we need is a article which enflames the situation.
 
 
 
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