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no the media is never impartial and yes we are all prejudiced to some extent but the media does not portray all blacks as attackers and neither does a normal education....besides i would think better of you...even though i dont agree with your views
yes but if you are educated you know the media is not impartial and therefore doesn't really portray the world accurately and you do not know if all black people are attackers.
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some Arab women whose husband wont let her out alone in public without an escort.
by saying this you demonstrated your bigotry towards arabs
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that wasnt the point.....if you refe to the posts between JSM and myself you will see that we were debating as to whether ALL british people can always be held responsible to TB's actions
i never said that doll, i was bringing myself down to the level of socialism and referring to THE BRITISH PEOPLE as i have already highlighted. I decided to defeat you on your own collectivist ground.
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some Arab women whose husband wont let her out alone in public without an escort.
which is almost as bad as the wife of some beer monster living in a council state who gets beaten every day. same problem different place, kilroy suggesting that is the only place things like occur was also wrong
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by saying this you demonstrated your bigotry towards arabs
why? please explain and it was purposely designed that way
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i didnt call it a wealth of experience...i just pointed out that i am qualified enough to make some kind of judgement because you implied i wasnt as wordly wise as yourself.
you pointed out problems in the arab world but like kilroy you did this in a particularly bigoted manner....i apologize if you were offended but i was offended by your original post
Well, let's both dry our eyes and try not to be offended anymore.
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yes but if you are educated you know the media is not impartial and therefore doesn't really portray the world accurately and you do not know if all black people are attackers.
that doesnt make sense? if you're educated then you know the media is not impartial.........so how does this relate to blacks being attackers? if you're educated then you would know that individual people are different and that not all people of the same colour act in exactly the same way...in fact you just need common sense to know that
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which is almost as bad as the wife of some beer monster living in a council state who gets beaten every day. same problem different place, kilroy suggesting that is the only place things like occur was also wrong
brilliant point! id give you rep but i cant....i will tomoro!
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despite the fact you know that both world wars this country has victnessed were started by whites, the man who dropped the atomic bomb was white, started every war america and britain have ever been in for that matter were white, committed the holocaust were white, were memebers of the KKK were white, introduced slavery were white and also were members of East 17 were white. surely they are reasons to associate whites with violence and evil in the last case.
and? that wasnt violence towards this individual hypothetical person was it, it was violence towards the human race as a whole. I dont think you can say who started every war Britain and America ever were in, what about King Coffee?
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by saying this you demonstrated your bigotry towards arabs
Why are you so obsessed with this "bigotry" word Tina? It's true that many Arab men will not let their wives leave the home unaccompanied. What is bigoted about that statement?
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why? please explain and it was purposely designed that way
why did you say ARAB woman...that suggests all arab women are supressed by their husbands ,.....not the case! also as pointed out by another post its not just arab women who sufffer abuse fromtheir husbands. and while we are on the subject a lot of arabs are muslims and according to their religion it is wrong to treat women in the way they do...eg. female circumcision
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they still gave him control over the country in their name

and most of them just have to oppose or else they feel that they are not sticking to their principles.

that still gave 53 million other people who were pro or at least not bothered enough to be present. Anyway it was way less than a million, i tagged along and many people were there for a good day out.

"so you hold hitler responsible for something he delegates but not the british people for something they delegate."

In a democracy the rule of the majority prevails and therefore it is the british public's fault for allowing him to be elected.
2 questions: when was he elected? when did he state he wanted to go to war with iraq?
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Why are you so obsessed with this "bigotry" word Tina? It's true that many Arab men will not let their wives leave the home unaccompanied. What is bigoted about that statement?
its also true that many women in britain suffer from domestic violence from their husbands/boyfriends.....does taht mean all british men should be held responsible....and as for bigotry i cannot think of an alternative which describes this so well./.....racist? xenophobic? ethnocentric?
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that doesnt make sense? if you're educated then you know the media is not impartial.........so how does this relate to blacks being attackers? if you're educated then you would know that individual people are different and that not all people of the same colour act in exactly the same way...in fact you just need common sense to know that
media not impartial - tick
personal experiance therefore more reliable - tick
personal experiance - blacks = attackers - tick
what if you were educated in your segregated arabic school.
common sense does not tell you that if all your experiance (which = common sense) as been of this.

Anyway this has diverged far off the point and i no longer care.
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2 questions: when was he elected? when did he state he wanted to go to war with iraq?
so, they still delegated responsibility to him, therefore their judgement was wrong - their decision to delegate it came with the knowledge that he could use the power to declare war. (there is an obvious flaw in my argument btw- you gone very far without finding it) . Was Hitler alone responsible for the Nazi's rise to power.
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media not impartial - tick
personal experiance therefore more reliable - tick
personal experiance - blacks = attackers - tick
what if you were educated in your segregated arabic school.
common sense does not tell you that if all your experiance (which = common sense) as been of this.

Anyway this has diverged far off the point and i no longer care.
you no longer care...or you can no longer argue a point that doesnt make sense?
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so, they still delegated responsibility to him, therefore their judgement was wrong - their decision to delegate it came with the knowledge that he could use the power to declare war. (there is an obvious flaw in my argument btw- you gone very far without finding it) . Was Hitler alone responsible for the Nazi's rise to power.

is mr or mrs x whos german responsible for hitlers actions today????
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why did you say ARAB woman...that suggests all arab women are supressed by their husbands ,.....not the case! also as pointed out by another post its not just arab women who sufffer abuse fromtheir husbands. and while we are on the subject a lot of arabs are muslims and according to their religion it is wrong to treat women in the way they do...eg. female circumcision
different sects have different beliefs - why we have come full circle.
i said arab women because i can't currently think of a race (balnket statement obviously) that some believe requires their women to be educated separatly.
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and? that wasnt violence towards this individual hypothetical person was it, it was violence towards the human race as a whole. I dont think you can say who started every war Britain and America ever were in, what about King Coffee?
those examples all illistrate the fact white are as violent as blacks and skin colour makes no difference. who makes up the human race? that would be individuals? these arent examples of rascism thats the whole point. therefore your fear of blacks on the train is completely irrational since whites are as likely to assult u. i think it easy for me to say that no black or Asian man has every ruled either the Britain or the US in the last 1000 years due to the rascism exsisting in both societies. so unless u are proposing both countries were ruled by martians i dont see who else it could be.

who is king coffee?
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so, they still delegated responsibility to him, therefore their judgement was wrong - their decision to delegate it came with the knowledge that he could use the power to declare war. (there is an obvious flaw in my argument btw- you gone very far without finding it) . Was Hitler alone responsible for the Nazi's rise to power.
if u can see the flaw what is the point? and i think there is more than one. the british public cant read minds.
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