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I think you have entirely missed the point of the article
quite,

"despotic, barbarous and corrupt Arab states" that are home to "suicide bombers", "limb amputators" and "women repressers".

becomes "all Arabs are inferior"?

how on earth do you explain that, without contributing to this sensationalist, over-the-top nonsense? why does the truth offend?
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Kilroy can not say things like this as they are rascist, at a time when we should be trying to reconcile the differences between eastern and western views this is only going to blow the divide further apart which is good for no one. There are alot of sterotypes alot of which seem to have featured in this article without any evidence, the last thing we need is a article which enflames the situation.
Oh he can say what he wants, I would always respect someone's right to free speech. I don't think he can reasonably expect to be employed be an orginisation funded by the British tax payer if he chooses to make these views public in the way that he did. As to the newspaper, well I don't think it had any real credibility anyway, so choosing to publish an article as scandalous as this one probably won't make much difference to them anyway.
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Oh dear...

Little Huntroyde is bringing out quotes from Maggie.com. How relevant. :rolleyes:
Robert Kilroy-Silk was one of the most infamous Labour MPs of his day. And he know writes for The Express, a right wing paper. Surely this is relevant? He has greatly changed his politics, as do many who are Socialists when they are young.
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Robert Kilroy-Silk was one of the most infamous Labour MPs of his day. And he know writes for The Express, a right wing paper. Surely this is relevant? He has greatly changed his politics, as do many who are Socialists when they are young.
You're quiant little quote was irrelevant, and rather stupid.
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You're quiant little quote was irrelevant, and rather stupid.
It was not a quote, or at least if it was a quote, it was one of me.
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quite,

"despotic, barbarous and corrupt Arab states" that are home to "suicide bombers", "limb amputators" and "women repressers".

becomes "all Arabs are inferior"?

how on earth do you explain that, without contributing to this sensationalist, over-the-top nonsense? why does the truth offend?
I'm pretty sure you'll find "suicide bombers", "limb amputators" and "women repressers" in Britain as well. However, Kilroy is clearly not referring to individuals but to the type of people which Arab states produce.
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Source please.
CNN
Reuters
The University of the Brazilian student who posted the allegation.
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CNN
Reuters
The University of the Brazilian student who posted the allegation.
I want to see where the allegation was put to rest...
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(Original post by kildare)
I'm pretty sure you'll find "suicide bombers", "limb amputators" and "women repressers" in Britain as well. However, Kilroy is clearly not referring to individuals but to the type of people which Arab states produce.
no, he is saying, what he is saying. that this goes on in Arab States. it is true. he shares the opinion that this is something bad. as do most people in the developed world. if you can find where he says 'Arabs are all repressive' ill retract that.
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I want to see where the allegation was put to rest...
17/09/01
UNICAMP (Universidad Estatal de Campinas-Brasil) would like to announce that it has no knowledge of a videotape from 1991, whose images supposedly aired on CNN showing Palestinians celebrating the terrorist attacks in the U.S. The tape was supposedly from 1991, and there were rumors that the images were passed off as current.
This information was later denied, as soon as it proved false, by Márcio A. V. Carvalho, a student at UNICAMP. He approached the administration today, 17.09.2001, to clarify the following:
-- the information he got, verbally, was that a professor from another institution (not from UNICAMP) had the tape;
-- he sent the information to a discussion group e-mail list;
-- many people from this list were interested in the subject and requested more details;
-- he again contacted the person who first gave him the information and the person denied having the tape;
-- the student immediately sent out a note clarifying what happened to the people from his e-mail list.
The original message, however, was distributed all over the world, often with many distortions, including a falsified by-line article from the student. He affirms that a hacker attacked his domain. Several E-mails have been sent on his behalf and those dating from 15.09.2001 should be ignored.
Among the distortions is the fact that UNICAMP would be analyzing the tape, which is absolutely false. The administration considers this alert definitive and will be careful to avoid new rumors
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"We are told by some of the more hysterical critics of the war on terror that 'it is destroying the Arab world'. So? Should we be worried about that?"

- So he thinks that destroying the Arab world isn't something we should be worried about. This in no way suggests that he think the Arab world is "inferior" then I suppose


"Apart from oil - which was discovered, is produced and is paid for by the West - what do they contribute? Can you think of anything? Anything really useful?... No, nor can I...

-Leaving aside the laughable innaccuracy of this statement, the fact that he thinks Arabs have contributed "nothing really useful" would once again suggest that he does indeed think that may well be inferior.


"We're told the the Arabs loathe us. Really?... What do they think we feel about them? That we adore them for the way they murdered more than 3,000 civilians on 11 September and then danced in the hot, dusty streets to celebrate the murders?"

-Now he chooses to say that "Arabs" rather than (20 or so people) were responsible for the 11 September attacks and that "they" celebrated them. Maybe not a direct accustation of inferiority but a scary generalisation nonetheless


He said Arab nations should be grateful for the aid and technology the West had provided.

-Yes, because without the West exploiting them to the nth degree in places like Iran then they'd really be in trouble , those poor little creatures.


"They should go down on their kness and thank God for the munificence of the United States."

-Yes they should, as the U.S is obviously a "superior society" thanks to all this wonderful munificence.

quite.
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Well the BBC are taking Kilroys show off air, so I bet he will be cursing that they released that article by mistake.
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no, he is saying, what he is saying. that this goes on in Arab States. it is true. he shares the opinion that this is something bad. as do most people in the developed world. if you can find where he says 'Arabs are all repressive' ill retract that.
Yes this goes on in Arab States, of course this is something bad. No one would deny that. However, taken in the context of the article this claim takes a far more sinister tone.
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Putting aside politics - I don't think they are relevant when we are talking about the innate character of a person.
I have often watched this person on his morning programme and noticed his arrogance to everybody who he considers (erroneously) not equal to himself. This will be evident in his exchanges with blacks, muslims, immigrants, single mothers, benefit claimants, catholics (in particular, he is very vitriolic to them) other politicians - he will be sarcastic, denigrating, superior, mocking and then, if challenged, will change tack and be lighthearted (sometimes hugging (women) and slapping men on the back in a display of false comraderie.
An insidious, iniquitous, slimy, smarmy and untrustworthy person!
Let's hope he does not get away with it and loses his livelihood as a tv presenter which he does not deserve.
(As an extra bit of information, he was castigated in the 90's for racist remarks towards the Irish - a leopard does not change his spots!)
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(Original post by kildare)
"We are told by some of the more hysterical critics of the war on terror that 'it is destroying the Arab world'. So? Should we be worried about that?"

- So he thinks that destroying the Arab world isn't something we should be worried about. This in no way suggests that he think the Arab world is "inferior" then I suppose
erm no. he just sees them as a danger hed rather be without.

"Apart from oil - which was discovered, is produced and is paid for by the West - what do they contribute? Can you think of anything? Anything really useful?... No, nor can I...


-Leaving aside the laughable innaccuracy of this statement, the fact that he thinks Arabs have contributed "nothing really useful" would once again suggest that he does indeed think that may well be inferior.
no, he is saying what are they contributing to the world now(in material production, goods, resources), that is of interest of us? in that sense they are inferior.

"We're told the the Arabs loathe us. Really?... What do they think we feel about them? That we adore them for the way they murdered more than 3,000 civilians on 11 September and then danced in the hot, dusty streets to celebrate the murders?"

-Now he chooses to say that "Arabs" rather than (20 or so people) were responsible for the 11 September attacks and that "they" celebrated them. Maybe not a direct accustation of inferiority but a scary generalisation nonetheless
just like the 'West'...

He said Arab nations should be grateful for the aid and technology the West had provided.

-Yes, because without the West exploiting them to the nth degree in places like Iran then they'd really be in trouble , those poor little creatures.
or they would have killed each other off, lost alot of their heritage and all be living in far worse conditions...even you accept that much.

"They should go down on their kness and thank God for the munificence of the United States."

-Yes they should, as the U.S is obviously a "superior society" thanks to all this wonderful munificence.
how on earth do you read that into it? he is saying that the arab world actually needs the West, although acceptance of that doesnt seem to work both ways.
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Putting aside politics - I don't think they are relevant when we are talking about the innate character of a person.
I have often watched this person on his morning programme and noticed his arrogance to everybody who he considers (erroneously) not equal to himself. This will be evident in his exchanges with blacks, muslims, immigrants, single mothers, benefit claimants, catholics (in particular, he is very vitriolic to them) other politicians - he will be sarcastic, denigrating, superior, mocking and then, if challenged, will change tack and be lighthearted (sometimes hugging (women) and slapping men on the back in a display of false comraderie.
An insidious, iniquitous, slimy, smarmy and untrustworthy person!
Let's hope he does not get away with it and loses his livelihood as a tv presenter which he does not deserve.
(As an extra bit of information, he was castigated in the 90's for racist remarks towards the Irish - a leopard does not change his spots!)
Very well said.
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Yes this goes on in Arab States, of course this is something bad. No one would deny that. However, taken in the context of the article this claim takes a far more sinister tone.
look, if you want to read into his tone, then do so. but that is his opinion and there is nothing there to warrant investigation by the Police...
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how on earth do you read that into it? he is saying that the arab world actually needs the West, although acceptance of that doesnt seem to work both ways.
In this globalised world, we all need each other to an extent. And there is no denying it.
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Putting aside politics - I don't think they are relevant when we are talking about the innate character of a person.
I have often watched this person on his morning programme and noticed his arrogance to everybody who he considers (erroneously) not equal to himself. This will be evident in his exchanges with blacks, muslims, immigrants, single mothers, benefit claimants, catholics (in particular, he is very vitriolic to them) other politicians - he will be sarcastic, denigrating, superior, mocking and then, if challenged, will change tack and be lighthearted (sometimes hugging (women) and slapping men on the back in a display of false comraderie.
An insidious, iniquitous, slimy, smarmy and untrustworthy person!
Let's hope he does not get away with it and loses his livelihood as a tv presenter which he does not deserve.
(As an extra bit of information, he was castigated in the 90's for racist remarks towards the Irish - a leopard does not change his spots!)
I have wathced him on tv and he always seemed quite geniune and caring. But then maybe its easy to put on and be indignant yourself when it is about somebody else.
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I have wathced him on tv and he always seemed quite geniune and caring. But then maybe its easy to put on and be indignant yourself when it is about somebody else.
And it is tv, he can easily put an act on. Also he is the presenter, and is supposed to be even and just basically present questions and not show his own views per se.
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