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Punk rock is rock without the endless guitar solos. Rock without packed sports stadiums and record breaking record sales. It's music expressed from intuition. Loud and fast. Bands would play and wouldn't give a **** what the crowd before them thought or what wrote. It was freedom from the status quo. It was freedom of expression. Freedom from normality. They took the Rock n' Roll rulebook and threw it out of the window wicritics thout seeing if anyone was standing below.

Punks weren't socialists. They were predominantly left maybe but not the Stalinists people think of them. They were young and had begun realising how **** life is and weren't going to sit back and accept it.

Punk was more than just songs about doll queues and those sat in the House of Lords. For Joe Strummer's politically charged lyrics with the Clash backed with Mick Jones' talented song writing you had The Damned's early material: More like an attitude you have towards a teacher you hate at school. The Sex Pistols were the fine compound between the two. Their sharp lyrics the perfect partner to their subtle political and social voice. Punk also had room for catchy melodies from the likes of the Buzzcocks, the Undertones and the Jam (early material). Punk personified youthful exuberance also as seen through the likes of Sham 69's violence filled gigs to the Ramones' nostalgia packed vocals.

First wave punk songs were notoriously shorter than their contemporaries. The genius of punk is how the genre at is best is as blemished as possible, just before the point that it becomes pretty much inaudible. False starts, background dialogue and background noise is not uncommon. Vocals are spoken and shouted as opposed to sung. If a leading punk vocalist can sing, it ain't punk. Fast paced songs mean rapid repetition of notes. As punk became more popular, there was demand for increased record sales. This is why the Clash had to change the way they recorded to make it in the U.S. For better or for worse.


Origin

Pyrotechnic was the precursor to the first wave of punk. The Kinks, The Who and David Bowie among others all provided elements of this vague and still not entirely understood sub-genre in the UK. Protopunk included elements of glam rock, pub rock and progressive rock. But Punk was still a world away from these acts . The likes of The Sonics and Iggy Pop and The Stooges from the US aided the permutation. Malcolm McLaren, who would later manage the Sex Pistols, briefly managed the New York Dolls in the States. Inspired, he returned to London and formed his own band.

First Wave

London SS, one of the first British Punk bands, split up to form two separate bands: The Damned and The Clash. Along with the Buzzcocks, they had all been influenced by McLaren's Sex Pistols who were setting the pace in the punk scene and wanted to catch on to this increasingly exciting trend. A Ramones UK tour injected more a sense of ecstasy into the veins of UK punk forming dozens of punk bands as a result.

Second Wave

As punk albums and singles alike began to be released the culture was widely derided in the press. The Sex Pistol's Bill Grundy interview promoted punk as much as it harmed it. Although Punks couldn't care less what was written about them they were affected in a fiscal nature, with many only squatting at best. They weren't totally anti-materialistic. Record shops refused to sell punk records and radio stations refused to play them but the phenomenon that was punk was clear, even as gigs were cancelled and bands left out of pocket. The bands that survived did reasonably well in the carts but by the time people celebrated the new decade punk was dead. The Sex Pistols had broken up, Sid Vicious had died and first and second wave bands had moved on although maintaining their punk origins, had turned towards sub-genres of punk. Punk Rock was always an exciting, albeit immature thing that had its big moment. It was going to grow up eventually, like it or not. Bands that wanted to survive afterwards had to survive and had to change to do so. (Aimed at Clash knockers). It lives on today. And by no means sporadically.

After Punk

New Wave took its hold on the UK music scene in the late 70's/early 80s as a more mellowed version of punk. The Jam and The Clash are examples of punk bands who exploded onto the scene with the First Wave of punk and broadened out later. Post-Punk was a more accurate term for those bands who stayed closer to their punk roots or were influenced by first wave acts. Indie rock also came to the forefront as bands were influenced by punk's blemished approach but were more influenced musically by New Wave and the op side of punk.

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Now to my favourite punk bands: (No inconspicuous ones I'm afraid, maybe you can introduce me to some!)

The Clash

After the second wave they really showed what they were: One of the greatest rock acts of all time. A great punk band, and even better rock one. They even touched upon reggae and rap. Even in these songs however, there are still elements of punk. London Calling is a superb album and punk purists should accept that it is one of the greatest rock albums of all time full stop. Sandinista! is a brave attempt at the unknown. Don't bash The Clash for being different. Weren't the same after Topper and Mick's departure.

The Buzzcocks
Showed that it was possible to sing a punk song in the shower.

The Ramones
On first listening you might think that many songs sound the same. Listen again.

The Undertones
Short snappy songs. And I love it.



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Saying what is and isn't punk, well isn't really punk itself. All of the above could be a loud of tosh. One thing is clear, punk lives on in many genres. This is the only real genre I like but I don't go for recent punk bands such as Green Day. They may be punk but they're not the punk I like. This thread is for anything punk. Hardcore punk, Ska punk, Celtic Punk whatever. Hell with it. Just go crazy on this thread if you want. Cos that's punk. That's Rock n' Roll Do what the **** you wanna do.

Oh and I know I was a bit biased towards UK punk cos' I know that best. (I didn't write this all from my head though btw). I know it started earlier in the U.S. and Australia too I think. Do mention good punk bands from these places and UK ones that may be unknown to people, including myself.

If you don't like this thread, I couldn't give a ****

Punk rock died because it became famous.
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Saying what is and isn't punk, well isn't really punk itself.
Funny you should say that because that's just what I was expecting this thread to be. When I've looked around for punk bands before, all I've found is endless arguments about what is and isn't punk - beginning with Sum 41 and Greenday and such, through every band that's ever been described as punk down to the people who say only underground bands in the 70s that only a handful of people had heard of could be called true punk. It's ridiculous. Who cares? Just listen to the music.

Anyway, at the risk of inviting such comments... Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys, Misfits, Propagandhi and Black Flag.
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Punk society? :dance: oh and yeah UK punk was better in my humble opinion, but the Ramones were :sogood:
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Funny you should say that because that's just what I was expecting this thread to be. When I've looked around for punk bands before, all I've found is endless arguments about what is and isn't punk - beginning with Sum 41 and Greenday and such, through every band that's ever been described as punk down to the people who say only underground bands in the 70s that only a handful of people had heard of could be called true punk. It's ridiculous. Who cares? Just listen to the music.

Anyway, at the risk of inviting such comments... Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys, Misfits, Propagandhi and Black Flag.
Bad Religion are class.
Adding to the list with Rancid and Rise Against, great bands
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I love band like Fallout Boy and Panic at the disco, In my opinion they are the best punk bands.
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stiff little fingers
the replacements
the clash
sham 69
Ramones
Rezillos
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Bad Religion are class.
Adding to the list with Rancid and Rise Against, great bands
Love Rise Against. Rancid are ok, could take them or leave them personally.
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Love Rise Against. Rancid are ok, could take them or leave them personally.
I only like rancid for there bassist really as i play, but rise against are probs in my top 5, so underrated! good to find another fan wish theyd come to englad
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I only like rancid for there bassist really as i play, but rise against are probs in my top 5, so underrated! good to find another fan wish theyd come to englad
A few years ago, I had a habit of getting a few songs by a band whenever I heard about one or heard a song by one that sounded good. Some of them, I ended up listening to all the time and eventually getting their albums, others (like Rancid) just faded into the background without making that much of an impression. Rise Against was in the latter category until around the end of last year when I had one of their songs stuck in my head and an urge to listen to them. Then I realised how good they were. xD I only have Appeal to Reason though and the songs I had before (the biggest singles). Any album recommendations?
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A few years ago, I had a habit of getting a few songs by a band whenever I heard about one or heard a song by one that sounded good. Some of them, I ended up listening to all the time and eventually getting their albums, others (like Rancid) just faded into the background without making that much of an impression. Rise Against was in the latter category until around the end of last year when I had one of their songs stuck in my head and an urge to listen to them. Then I realised how good they were. xD I only have Appeal to Reason though and the songs I had before (the biggest singles). Any album recommendations?
Haha same i used to do that all the time but now ive got a load of bands i jsut listen to pretty much constantly
Appeal to reason is their new album yeah? Its good but feels over produced for punk and doesnt have as much edge as their first albums. Sufferer and the Witness is incredible... i could send it to you if you want?
what song was it that got stuck in your head? just to see if its one of my favs :P
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Haha same i used to do that all the time but now ive got a load of bands i jsut listen to pretty much constantly
Appeal to reason is their new album yeah? Its good but feels over produced for punk and doesnt have as much edge as their first albums. Sufferer and the Witness is incredible... i could send it to you if you want?
what song was it that got stuck in your head? just to see if its one of my favs :P
That'd be great actually. I'm not actually sure... I think it was Prayer of the Refugee but it might have been more than one, maybe Like the Angel as well. The ones I've got are those, Paper Wings, Ready to Fall and Dancing for Rain. Yea, the new one. I like the overall atmosphere of it... There's not many stand out songs (except for Hero of War - I don't think I've ever heard a song where the lyrics stick out so much before, to the point where I don't even notice anything else), but there's just something about it.

After I stopped downloading individual songs, I didn't really get anything for ages and caught up with the collection I'd built up. Now I buy loads of albums, since HMV started actually putting good albums in the 2 for £10 thing and I discovered CEX. The one in my town has stopped doing CDs now though. =(
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I love Rise Against and agree that trying to label things as punk is somewhat contradictory and tricky but seriously; Rise Against, punk? wat
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I love Rise Against and agree that trying to label things as punk is somewhat contradictory and tricky but seriously; Rise Against, punk? wat
To be honest, I would never have expected to see them in this thread either, though it would appear that wikipedia disagrees. Actually, thinking about it, their style isn't that different from Bad Religion (if you consider them punk - personally I'd call them punk rock, but that might be a distinction that doesn't really exist outside my own mind) and they're big on politics and protesting... Does it matter anyway?
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To be honest, I would never have expected to see them in this thread either, though it would appear that wikipedia disagrees. Actually, thinking about it, their style isn't that different from Bad Religion (if you consider them punk - personally I'd call them punk rock, but that might be a distinction that doesn't really exist outside my own mind) and they're big on politics and protesting... Does it matter anyway?


Nothing matters, baaabe.



Well, everyone should listen to more crust/d-beat, that matters.
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Nothing matters, baaabe.



Well, everyone should listen to more crust/d-beat, that matters.
Lol, any recommendations?
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Maybe it should be punk and postpunk?

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That'd be great actually. I'm not actually sure... I think it was Prayer of the Refugee but it might have been more than one, maybe Like the Angel as well. The ones I've got are those, Paper Wings, Ready to Fall and Dancing for Rain. Yea, the new one. I like the overall atmosphere of it... There's not many stand out songs (except for Hero of War - I don't think I've ever heard a song where the lyrics stick out so much before, to the point where I don't even notice anything else), but there's just something about it.

After I stopped downloading individual songs, I didn't really get anything for ages and caught up with the collection I'd built up. Now I buy loads of albums, since HMV started actually putting good albums in the 2 for £10 thing and I discovered CEX. The one in my town has stopped doing CDs now though. =(
Prayer of the refugee, like the angel and ready to fall are great songs. For me, hero of war is a bit too american, if you get my jist lol. Swing life away and everchanging are two incredible acoustic songs, everchanging probably being my favourite acoustic song ever, seriously suggest you look them up. I only started buying albums last year as i got a hifi and was determined to build up a collection, it feels so much better having the cd and 2 for £10 is a deal you cant refus lol. If your willing to send me your msn in a message ill add you tomorrow and if your online send you sufferer and the witness, definately got some great songs on it you havent heard
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Prayer of the refugee, like the angel and ready to fall are great songs. For me, hero of war is a bit too american, if you get my jist lol. Swing life away and everchanging are two incredible acoustic songs, everchanging probably being my favourite acoustic song ever, seriously suggest you look them up. I only started buying albums last year as i got a hifi and was determined to build up a collection, it feels so much better having the cd and 2 for £10 is a deal you cant refus lol. If your willing to send me your msn in a message ill add you tomorrow and if your online send you sufferer and the witness, definitely got some great songs on it you havent heard
Nice timing, I was just leaving. I swear I remember having Swing Life Away... If I did, I don't know what happened to it because it's not there now. Nice song anyway. Not heard Everchanging, listening to it on youtube now. Oo this is good. Wait I have heard this.... Probably on spotify, which stopped working ages ago for me.

I just stick any albums straight onto the computer and then never touch them again. I agree, it feels better having the actual CD. And with 2 for £10 I think it's actually cheaper than legally downloading. Cheaper than itunes anyway.

PM'd, thanks.
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