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I was under the impression he is half white. :curious:
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A poor, black man. Certainly not...
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This is a strange thread.
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probably not
It wouldn't have been his decision. Nor does ethnicity matter, as I understand there have been black members of the Bullingdon. The issue is money, not ethnicity. It's horrendously expensive to join, hence those who do are rich.
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Obama can suck a ****.
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Obama can suck a ****.
Of course he can, but why would he? :confused:
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(Original post by Drogue)
It wouldn't have been his decision. Nor does ethnicity matter, as I understand there have been black members of the Bullingdon. The issue is money, not ethnicity. It's horrendously expensive to join, hence those who do are rich.
Would you care to name a few?
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Well the Bush family were Skull and Bones men, and Obama has already been inaugurated at the Masonic Hall in NY. What is the Bulingdon Club but another fraternity? They all run along the same kind of lines. Cameron would have probably invited him to join as a gesture of their fraternal associations.
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Would you care to name a few?
i think that we would all be amazed if there have been, considering that an absolutely tiny amount of black people have ever attended the university, and let alone would want to join such a group. after all - like many groups like this - many members are friends from school, friends of friends or siblings.

some years fewer than 1% of students are black. in 2005 it took in only 24 black undergraduates out of a total of 3,176 or 0.75 per cent.

there have been many non-white/european members though

i dont even see what the fuss is about, its a sodding drinking club - they eat and get pissed - they are students, is it shocking?
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i think that we would all be amazed if there have been, considering that an absolutely tiny amount of black people have ever attended the university, and let alone would want to join such a group. after all - like many groups like this - many members are friends from school, friends of friends or siblings.

some years fewer than 1% of students are black. in 2005 it took in only 24 black undergraduates out of a total of 3,176 or 0.75 per cent.

there have been many non-white/european members though

i dont even see what the fuss is about, its a sodding drinking club - they eat and get pissed - they are students, is it shocking?
It's more shocking that they eat, get pissed, trash places then pay for the damage before they leave.

Doesn't really show knowledge of the value of money does it?
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It's more shocking that they eat, get pissed, trash places then pay for the damage before they leave.

Doesn't really show knowledge of the value of money does it?
Depends how much they pay, surely?
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compared to many/most university rugby clubs who just trash places and are too drunk to offer to pay, difference?

it has nothing to do with 'the value of money'.
Of course it does.
It demonstrates that they view themselves as able to do whatever they please so long as they have the means to pay for it.

Think of how that money could have been better used, but no, it was used to pay for the table David and Boris threw through a window.

Also, the fact they pay suggests they were always intending to wreck the place, rather than it being a spur of the moment thing. Rugby clubs rarely wreck places, and if they do, I wager they're not places the Bullingdon club would frequent, and thus not as expensive to repair.
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Depends how much they pay, surely?
What do you mean?

That if they pay in excess of the cost of the damage it's not showing respect for the value of money?

I would argue that by paying for the damage, they knew they were going to wreck the place when they arrived, and thus it just shows disrespect for not only the establishment, but for the rules the rest of us have to abide by.
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Would you care to name a few?
Er, I'm not about to post the names of members of anything on a public forum.
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Of course it does.
It demonstrates that they view themselves as able to do whatever they please so long as they have the means to pay for it.
Which, when it comes to material matters, is pretty much the case.

Think of how that money could have been better used, but no, it was used to pay for the table David and Boris threw through a window.
Clearly, not being a Communist, I cannot accept that argument as containing even the slightest grain of sense. People's private finances are their property by right - it is completely irrelevant what 'better' use you can think up for it, it is solely for their satisfaction. If I want to blow my cash at the casino, or repairing broken windows, that's my own ******* business and I certainly wouldn't take a lecture on it from anyone, never mind you.
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of course obama would not have been invited to join the bullingdon. he's not an upper-middle-class or aristocratic brit - not even commonwealth. he's just a foreigner.
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Which, when it comes to material matters, is pretty much the case.



Clearly, not being a Communist, I cannot accept that argument as containing even the slightest grain of sense. People's private finances are their property by right - it is completely irrelevant what 'better' use you can think up for it, it is solely for their satisfaction. If I want to blow my cash at the casino, or repairing broken windows, that's my own ******* business and I certainly wouldn't take a lecture on it from anyone, never mind you.
What I could have said was "As students, perhaps their time and money would be better spent studying, and not wrecking places."

That would have been better. As it's quite late, the more socialist side of me reared it's head as it does when I'm tired. What I will say though, I don't think it's acceptable to be above the law if you have the means to pay for what you do, it should be the act itself.

I'd apologise for my earlier stupid argument, but seeing as you were quite condesending, I don't think I will.
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what a pathetic non-argument
The latter was, but simply because I was retardedly trying to find a way to defend rugby club damage, when that was a fabrication you threw up. In reality, such damage would draw prosecution.

The former argument is not a pathetic non-argument, it's actually one of the principles of law, that no-one is above it.

But whatever
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Er, I'm not about to post the names of members of anything on a public forum.
Good point.
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