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I assure you working in Kwik Save is much harder than becoming a Lord, in fact, I don't think employing children in factories 120 years ago to make your millions was ever particularly hard.
quite.
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*less hard

however, those who earn less are not necessarily working harder either.
Not nessecarily no, they are getting less reward for their work though.
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EMA still pays students to remain in college, whereas i pay to remain in 6 form (private) and pay via taxes to send her there and then pay again to give her EMA and then help her even more by not taking my state provided place.

I agree, but they should not be paid anyway.
But if my sister didn't get EMA she will probably have not have been able to goto 6th form so would have never have gone to uni. That would have been a waste as she is clearly a good student.

Anyway this is stating to get a bit of topic now.
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Someone in their past? Are you aware that the fact that you were born into the situation you were born into and not in a Somalian refugee camp was due to pure, barefaced good luck?
yep, but not jsut good luck, but also hard work, half of my family lost most/all of their money in two seperate world wars. The other half, were in severe debt to put their children through decent private education and one smoked himself to death because of the stress of needing to earn that money and commuting abroad to Holland. If i was in somalia i probably wopuld not even be thinking about this, so it is irrelevant. Are you aware that you are very fortunate, maybe you shuld enjoy it.
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I feel so sorry for them (not). Jesus this is the first time I have ever said this but some middle class people are so damn selfish.
i am selfish, yes, but is that a direct result of me being middle class - no, its a result of questioning the socialisation that i recieve and finding it severly lacking in justification.
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I don't think the tax is fair but they need to limite the saleries of the stupidly high earners like director's earning £450,000 a year or football players, these people can surely afford 60% of their salaries to go on income tax.

In the 1970's it wasn't un common to pay 80% income tax on the highest earners.
And a lot of rich and successful people left the country...
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No, actually, you'll just have to put off buying that penthouse. Depriving the millionaires of their penthouses isn't quite the same as decreasing somebody to a £14.4 k income, where you probably couldn't even afford rent/mortgage.
but the penthouse employs and pays a decent salary to their door man, to their cleaners, to his prostitutes (if hes desperate), to the builders who built it. It has a much greater effect on society.
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yep, but not jsut good luck, but also hard work, half of my family lost most/all of their money in two seperate world wars. The other half, were in severe debt to put their children through decent private education and one smoked himself to death because of the stress of needing to earn that money and commuting abroad to Holland. If i was in somalia i probably wopuld not even be thinking about this, so it is irrelevant. Are you aware that you are very fortunate, maybe you shuld enjoy it.
Yes it was good luck, you had the good lucky to have hard working parents who were able to provide you with a comfortable living give birth to you. You didn't do anything about it, you could equally have been born a penniless orphan, all of your inherent advantages are due to nothing other than luck.

And yes, I know that I'm very fortunate, the fact that I recognise this is the very reason why I disagree with you.
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I assure you working in Kwik Save is much harder than becoming a Lord, in fact, I don't think employing children in factories 120 years ago to make your millions was ever particularly hard.
well the people who employed children seized the opportunit y that htey had. i would say becoming a lord now is far ahrder than working in kwik save as you need to be successful.
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The latter is, not the former, the former is circumstance, the circumstance of southerners being richer than northerners (barring a few exceptions like Cheshire). What's wrong with discriminating based on wealth?
That is changing now, there are very expensive areas in the north out of Cheshire, not least manchester City Centre and parts of Lancashire and Yorkshire. And that is only in the southern part of the north (if such a place exists).
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You CHOOSE to go a private school. No one forces you to, you would be perfectly entitled to attend a state school if you so wished.
should i do so, would you advocate me to, if everyone left, the state would not be able to afford the education. Plus i would probably deprive some bright poor kid (i woulda gone to st olave's) and therefore isnt it going agaisnt your socialist ideals by implying that i have the right to deprive children of their education.
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Not nessecarily no, they are getting less reward for their work though.
they might have not taken full advantage of the generosity of the state and pissed around in school, getting high on cocaine and beating up random kids - i know people that do this.
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That is changing now, there are very expensive areas in the north out of Cheshire, not least manchester City Centre and parts of Lancashire and Yorkshire. And that is only in the southern part of the north (if such a place exists).
Salford Quays is a good example of why money should be invested in the North, as is Manchester City Centre. Looking at places like No.1 Deansgate, or spinningfields.
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actually i am reading about ethics at the moment and they are totally different to morals. So i have no idea where you are coming from.
ethics....philosophy of morality.
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But if my sister didn't get EMA she will probably have not have been able to goto 6th form so would have never have gone to uni. That would have been a waste as she is clearly a good student.

Anyway this is stating to get a bit of topic now.
and, so my parents pay to put five children through school and still manage to fund your sister through their taxes. Anyway a levels and GCSEs are not indicative of merit, its jump through the hoops and easy even if you doss around.
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Yes it was good luck, you had the good lucky to have hard working parents who were able to provide you with a comfortable living give birth to you. You didn't do anything about it, you could equally have been born a penniless orphan, all of your inherent advantages are due to nothing other than luck.

And yes, I know that I'm very fortunate, the fact that I recognise this is the very reason why I disagree with you.
not luck, i would not be born elsewhere as i am the genetic makeup of my parents. its not luck it is the success of your parents, or not.
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Salford Quays is a good example of why money should be invested in the North, as is Manchester City Centre. Looking at places like No.1 Deansgate, or spinningfields.
Burnley is having lots of money spent on it, some terraced housing cost less than £1,000 to buy (seriously) but with someinvestment it is transformed. The north is on the up, remember that it wasn't the South that created the wealth for the British Empire, but East Lancashire. It was the "jewel in the crown".
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not luck, i would not be born elsewhere as i am the genetic makeup of my parents. its not luck it is the success of your parents, or not.
True, it was your ability to swin fastest.
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and, so my parents pay to put five children through school and still manage to fund your sister through their taxes. Anyway a levels and GCSEs are not indicative of merit, its jump through the hoops and easy even if you doss around.
OK I feel swearing is required now F*CK off. My parents probably given around £500,000 to this government in tax, they pay £1000 a year income tax atm plus all their over taxes, council tax, VAT etc. I think my sister my parents are entitled to some of this back in EMA.

People like you really get to me so much. I consider myself middle class myself but I am just amazed how selfish some people are.

As for the North thing yep there are a lot of rich areas up north. Manchester for example can easily become the knowldege capitol the UK and probably has more graduates than any where else in the country.
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ethics....philosophy of morality.
ethics = character, the customary way to behave in society, in accordance with a virtuous character - depends what you view that as
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