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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    Burnley is having lots of money spent on it, some terraced housing cost less than £1,000 to buy (seriously) but with someinvestment it is transformed. The north is on the up, remember that it wasn't the South that created the wealth for the British Empire, but East Lancashire. It was the "jewel in the crown".
    It's rostow's model really.

    Investment can fail sometimes though, that is it can be done wrong, I think east manchester/sport city is crap, and it's had a lot of money.
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    (Original post by JSM)
    should i do so, would you advocate me to, if everyone left, the state would not be able to afford the education. Plus i would probably deprive some bright poor kid (i woulda gone to st olave's) and therefore isnt it going agaisnt your socialist ideals by implying that i have the right to deprive children of their education.
    You're so selfless, god bless you.
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    (Original post by amazingtrade)
    OK I feel swearing is required now F*CK off. My parents probably given around £500,000 to this government in tax, they pay £1000 a year income tax atm plus all their over taxes, council tax, VAT etc. I think my sister my parents are entitled to some of this back in EMA.

    People like you really get to me so much. I consider myself middle class myself but I am just amazed how selfish some people are.

    As for the North thing yep there are a lot of rich areas up north. Manchester for example can easily become the knowldege capitol the UK and probably has more graduates than any where else in the country.
    why, you brought your sister into this, i was using it hypothetically., 1000 a year in income tax, wow, my dad pays far more and have probably given more than that. Why arent we entitled to some of it back in EMA then, bear in mind, that i am the oldest and they will continue to help fund us all through our education. and at university i will not be entitled to extra grants or any help. isnt that extremely unfair on my parents.

    So, i can be selfish, it appears selfish to recieve more than you give as well.
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    (Original post by fishpaste)
    You're so selfless, god bless you.
    well it was something i seriously considered when i chose which school to go to, becausei believed all my socialisation crap.
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    what do your parents do for a living?
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    (Original post by JSM)
    why, you brought your sister into this, i was using it hypothetically., 1000 a year in income tax, wow, my dad pays far more and have probably given more than that. Why arent we entitled to some of it back in EMA then, bear in mind, that i am the oldest and they will continue to help fund us all through our education. and at university i will not be entitled to extra grants or any help. isnt that extremely unfair on my parents.

    So, i can be selfish, it appears selfish to recieve more than you give as well.
    You seem to imply that its my parents fualt they are not rich, I am sure my parents work just has hard as yours its just other circumstances mean they haven't got as much money. Its not like my parents are on the dole and spend all their money on **** and booze I could understand your anger then.
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    (Original post by JSM)
    why, you brought your sister into this, i was using it hypothetically., 1000 a year in income tax, wow, my dad pays far more and have probably given more than that. Why arent we entitled to some of it back in EMA then, bear in mind, that i am the oldest and they will continue to help fund us all through our education. and at university i will not be entitled to extra grants or any help. isnt that extremely unfair on my parents.

    So, i can be selfish, it appears selfish to recieve more than you give as well.
    but your family can afford to do that to a greater extent without dramtically affecting their living standard.
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    (Original post by amazingtrade)
    You seem to imply that its my parents fualt they are not rich, I am sure my parents work just has hard as yours its just other circumstances mean they haven't got as much money. Its not like my parents are on the dole and spend all their money on **** and booze I could understand your anger then.
    i am not attacking you personally, iwas using you as an example as that was what you are doing too. However, isnt it as bad if a family in your situation would be classed middle class too. My parents are putting five children through education, they are not going to be able to reitre for long. Especailly as i am the oldest. does your sisters EMA grant go towards supporting her? or what
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    (Original post by corey)
    but your family can afford to do that to a greater extent without dramtically affecting their living standard.
    um, yeah it did, for example they have had two cars since i have been alive, our current car is ten years old, they never had any money to spend and were always very careful. Never had sky etc in my life. Never buy videos, DVDs etc . They got married when they were very young. My parents never went out ever, when i was younger as they were really struggling, didnt buy music cds etc. I am not saying i have had a hard life, but my parents have done this by prioritising.
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    (Original post by JSM)
    um, yeah it did, for example they have had two cars since i have been alive, our current car is ten years old, they never had any money to spend and were always very careful. Never had sky etc in my life. Never buy videos, DVDs etc . They got married when they were very young. My parents never went out ever, when i was younger as they were really struggling, didnt buy music cds etc. I am not saying i have had a hard life, but my parents have done this by prioritising.
    The fact that you think that counts for financial struggle shows that you're a little out of touch with reality.
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    (Original post by JSM)
    i am not attacking you personally, iwas using you as an example as that was what you are doing too. However, isnt it as bad if a family in your situation would be classed middle class too. My parents are putting five children through education, they are not going to be able to reitre for long. Especailly as i am the oldest. does your sisters EMA grant go towards supporting her? or what
    It goes on books, computer stuff, that kind of thing. She probably would still be in 6th form without it but EMA helps. My family have to really struggle to pay the income tax etc. I am sure my family are supsidising people on the dole but you can't comment on it unless you know the exact cirumstances but it wouild be all too easy for me to moan about those people if that makes sence?
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    (Original post by fishpaste)
    The fact that you think that counts for financial struggle shows that you're a little out of touch with reality.
    i didnt say it was a financial struggle, but i said it wasnt easy.
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    (Original post by amazingtrade)
    It goes on books, computer stuff, that kind of thing. She probably would still be in 6th form without it but EMA helps. My family have to really struggle to pay the income tax etc. I am sure my family are supsidising people on the dole but you can't comment on it unless you know the exact cirumstances but it wouild be all too easy for me to moan about those people if that makes sence?
    yep it does, i was not personally attacking you, but i disagree with income tax and even more so with EMA.
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    (Original post by JSM)
    i didnt say it was a financial struggle, but i said it wasnt easy.
    God forbid you didnt have Sky TV and DVD's, how about you try not being able to have the heating when you want it, not having a car, struggling to pay the normal TV license.
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    (Original post by corey)
    God forbid you didnt have Sky TV and DVD's, how about you try not being able to have the heating when you want it, not having a car, struggling to pay the normal TV license.
    wow, yeah, both my parents went to university and studied marine biology, not exaclty a decent degree where they met and got married just after. But those people are in a minority. THey never smoked or drank. the british public spends huge amounts on going out and my mum worked as a secretary to support my dad through an accounting course (he was working very long hours 6- 8 or something) They fell out of touch with their friends who had the money to socialise, go clubbing etc.
    Then they sent me to a basic private junior school and that was a struggle.
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    (Original post by JSM)
    wow, yeah, both my parents went to university and studied marine biology, not exaclty a decent degree where they met and got married just after. But those people are in a minority. THey never smoked or drank. the british public spends huge amounts on going out and my mum worked as a secretary to support my dad through an accounting course (he was working very long hours 6- 8 or something) They fell out of touch with their friends who had the money to socialise, go clubbing etc.
    Then they sent me to a basic private junior school and that was a struggle.
    Your parents have marine biology degrees, that doesn't compare to a girl who has to support herself at 16 by working in poundstretcher to pay her rent for the flat she's living in because her parents kicked her out, furthermore with no prospects because she has no GCSEs. Does it? Not being able to afford a fabulous social life is still not even on the scale of financial stress.

    I really have forgotten what the point was, am just so riled up by your failure to appreciate certain things.
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    (Original post by fishpaste)
    Your parents have marine biology degrees, that doesn't compare to a girl who has to support herself at 16 by working in poundstretcher to pay her rent for the flat she's living in because her parents kicked her out, furthermore with no prospects because she has no GCSEs. Does it? Not being able to afford a fabulous social life is still not even on the scale of financial stress.

    I really have forgotten what the point was, am just so riled up by your failure to appreciate certain things.
    Don't be so harsh on JSM because I think that circumstances are different for different classes of people. You may believe that there are many people worse off than other people and that they are deserving of pity and sympathy. However, every social class has their own problems. For the middle-classes it is succeeding academically or risking virtual isolation by their peers and their families and remaining in the shadow of the more successful ones. Yes all in all the 16 year old girl is worse off but for someone with the means it is equally distressing to fail.
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    (Original post by Kurdt Morello)
    Don't be so harsh on JSM because I think that circumstances are different for different classes of people. You may believe that there are many people worse off than other people and that they are deserving of pity and sympathy. However, every social class has their own problems. For the middle-classes it is succeeding academically or risking virtual isolation by their peers and their families and remaining in the shadow of the more successful ones. Yes all in all the 16 year old girl is worse off but for someone with the means it is equally distressing to fail.
    It's a very small stress, in comparison. Also, if you have the means to succeed, and you fail, then it's alot more your own fault, and so should be alot more your own problem.
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    (Original post by Kurdt Morello)
    Don't be so harsh on JSM because I think that circumstances are different for different classes of people. You may believe that there are many people worse off than other people and that they are deserving of pity and sympathy. However, every social class has their own problems. For the middle-classes it is succeeding academically or risking virtual isolation by their peers and their families and remaining in the shadow of the more successful ones. Yes all in all the 16 year old girl is worse off but for someone with the means it is equally distressing to fail.
    So "succeeding academically" is only important (or more important) if you are middle class?
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    (Original post by kildare)
    So "succeeding academically" is only important (or more important) if you are middle class?
    Difficult to quantify really - perhaps I meant to say that the middle class wants to succeed and one of the best ways to do this is by succeeding academically and giving one the best possible chance to get a good job etc.
 
 
 
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