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Hi All,

Just curious about what other students think about the cuts being made to do with education by the collalition.

For example, your views on Gove scrapping the programme which was to help improve the buildings of schools and schools being allowed to become academies.

Personally i'm a bit puzzled, I am aware that cuts are needed, but not quite sure whether certain sectors should be prioratised and instead put money into those sectors, i.e Education and the front line services.

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The red tape needs to be cut. :yes:
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fair point lol
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I think many of the cuts are wrong and unecessary and are the Tories decision to not just reduce the budget defecit, but they are using that as an excuse to make cuts way beyond it.

You'll see by the end of the year, when the next lot of cuts are made just what impact it will have on the country. Our public services for one will be massively hit and affect all of us who need to use them (ie not the super rich).

This country will be going down hill fast and we have the Tories to blame for wanting to do this and the Lib Dems to blame for allowing it to happen.

It is the people who will suffer and the people most in need who will suffer most.
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I think many of the cuts are wrong and unecessary and are the Tories decision to not just reduce the budget defecit, but they are using that as an excuse to make cuts way beyond it.
I'm not exactly the biggest fan of the tories, but do you have any reason to think this other than unfounded speculation based upon innate prejudices of the party?
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I'm not exactly the biggest fan of the tories, but do you have any reason to think this other than unfounded speculation based upon innate prejudices of the party?
Yes, there has been plenty reported in the news about quite important groups of people and experts from all walks of life (not politians) saying how damaging or unnecessary some specific cuts will be as well as the bigger picture the combined cuts make. Just look through any news site and you'll see people quoted as giving such warnings.
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Yes, the cuts are a neccessary evil. Besides, does stopping building new and modern schools within our country REALLY have a detromental effect on our education? NO! It's irrelevant. At the end of the day the primary objective of any school is to educate the pupils, and I personally don't think the state of a school will affect that.
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The school academy thing is pointless. My school became a dance and drama academy. Nothing changed they just got to write academy on all their letters and built a new studio no one could use or knew how to use.
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Yes, the cuts are a neccessary evil. Besides, does stopping building new and modern schools within our country REALLY have a detromental effect on our education? NO! It's irrelevant. At the end of the day the primary objective of any school is to educate the pupils, and I personally don't think the state of a school will affect that.
Certainly helps if the building isn't in disrepair and falling apart. I believe a lot of schools are operating out of portacabins or whatever they're called; prefabricated huts.
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It has to take its fair share of the cuts, yes.

Should it take any more than the mean? No.
Should all departments be cut equally? Not necessarily.

We have a deficit to cut. This is the area that hurts us on TSR - but I'm sure on banking forums they're moaning about their cuts also. There is nothing special about education.
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Certainly helps if the building isn't in disrepair and falling apart. I believe a lot of schools are operating out of portacabins or whatever they're called; prefabricated huts.
My school I went to for 6th forms had 2 portacabins which I had lessons in. Made absolutely no difference to my education whatsoever. Actually those lessons were good because they were nearer the main teaching block than the new classrooms which were further away, so everyone got to lessons late.
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I think many of the cuts are wrong and unecessary and are the Tories decision to not just reduce the budget defecit, but they are using that as an excuse to make cuts way beyond it.
And yet the cuts do not even eliminate the deficit, let alone go beyond...?
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The school academy thing is pointless. My school became a dance and drama academy. Nothing changed they just got to write academy on all their letters and built a new studio no one could use or knew how to use.
My old school became an Specialist Science and Mathematics Technology College in 2006, the schools no different, my head got the teachers to lie to newspapers to say that 'the school needed this' funny thing is, the languages classes still uses cassette players because the school can't afford it, how the **** are we an technology college if we are using the same stuff we had when we was in the asbestos filled old building? Oh I don't know.
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And yet the cuts do not even eliminate the deficit, let alone go beyond...?
It's not about getting rid of the defecit instantly though. Which seems to be what they are trying to do.

Doing that cuts too hard and too fast and causes more problems, and will lead to increased unemployment shortly as well as poor standard public services.

Oh, and what about the idea of raising taxes for those who can afford it?

All the Government have done so far is lower the amount of tax most people pay (income tax threshsold) or raise one tax that disproportionally hits the poor more than the most rich (VAT).

Surely we can all see it's better to have more people in work paying a bit more tax each than more people unemployed while those who do work pay less tax? I can't see why the Government seems to be moving us to this second siutation.

But there'll be some reach issues soon when the full level of cuts are announced and we see that over the next year hundreds of thousands of people are going to lose their jobs in schools, hospitals (yes, they are not having budget cuts there, but are still making savings), police and everywhere. It's going to be hell.
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They should go to the polls: High taxes and good services or low taxes and cuts.
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I'm sure it's easy for Cameron and the Bullingdon club to make unwise cuts (education) and ******** cuts (minister's pay decrease - they're all godamn millionaire's/heirs) when they are the last people to bear the brunt. Clearly, the conservatives are forgetting that by reducing the number of people in employment, there will be less tax revenue and more benefit spending. Moronic, no?
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These austerity measures we're currently undergoing are a cake walk compared to what the IMF would impose on us in the event of a bailout. The Greek health service isn't ringfenced...

According to the OECD..."The comprehensive budget announced by the government on 22 June was courageous and appropriate. It was an essential starting point... OECD shares the UK government’s position that fiscal consolidation is a policy for growth." http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/57/11/45642018.pdf. They are not alone; 30+ leading economists wrote to the Times supporting the Tory position. Yes, 60+ wrote to take the opposite view but you don't win an argument just because more people agree with you ( you might win a vote, but not an argument). The point remains that the economics are far less clear cut than one might hope.

Economists were invented to make astrologers look good.
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'Austerity measures' are a load of moralising **** that sound like they were made up by Catholics not economists.
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I see that few people can spell the word "necessary"! So perhaps we shouldn't cut the spelling and grammar budget
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I think the cuts are needed to put the country back on track after labours failure.
I don't agree strongly with most Conservative views, but I think they will do alot of good for the economy in the long run, we just need to bare with it for the time being.
I think the major thing we need to put back on is the pen-pushers and management, rather than anything else.
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