" The Lib Dems - don't we as students owe it to ourselves to vote for them in the nex Watch

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I studied the former - the doss subject as it were. Well the reason Libs can't justify is because the lack of media coverage of their policies. Also did you know that more people in this country vote Lib Dem than the Labour but that the representation means Labour will be in power instead.
um, no, more people vote labour than lib, i think you are gettign confused as to what PR actually would do.
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Well I've read their manifesto and I wait with bated breath for them to release their proposed funding plans which they are supposed to be publishing at some point before the next general election because its seems unrealistic to me.
there are some very sketchy plans on their website
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i know they say that they are supposed to be providing proper figures at some point before the next election.


Here are the figures no of seats v no of votes received. As you can see although the lib dems would be entitled to more seats via proportional representation they would still be the third party.

http://stirling.ukc.ac.uk:16080/Anth...tatistics.html
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i know they say that they are supposed to be providing proper figures at some point before the next election.


Here are the figures no of seats v no of votes received. As you can see although the lib dems would be entitled to more seats via proportional representation they would still be the third party.

http://stirling.ukc.ac.uk:16080/Anth...tatistics.html
but it also depends if they introduce a PR system whereby you rank in order of preference as well.
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I studied the former - the doss subject as it were. Well the reason Libs can't justify is because the lack of media coverage of their policies. Also did you know that more people in this country vote Lib Dem than the Labour but that the representation means Labour will be in power instead.
Where did you read that?
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the higher income tax band will be 50%, abn smacking of children - a pointless law and otehr ****. Do you want a scottish pm.
We've already got a Scottish PM!
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In my opinion theyre aren't really any viable options when it comes to voting for government these days. I was raised in a tory household but since turning 18 have only voted lib dem, they seem like the lesser of three evils to me.
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I don't see why everyone hates the Labour party, they have the right idea:

Fairness, justice and opportunity have always been at the heart of what the Labour Party stands for. We are building a country where people get on according to their merit and ability not their background.
The LibDem seem to too but I don't trust them.
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I don't see why everyone hates the Labour party, they have the right idea:



The LibDem seem to too but I don't trust them.
The labour party are sneaky bastar*s, they steal all the tory government's good ideas via a process of triangulation, forcing them more to the extreme right and taking the median voters place. All that the Labour party have done that is good (well nearly all) are conservative ideas. They do everything under a banner of equality, which they don't stand for. Thye aren't even true socialists and the majority of people who are educated about politics understand that they are just a pragmatic party with no principles.
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The labour party are sneaky bastar*s, they steal all the tory government's good ideas via a process of triangulation, forcing them more to the extreme right and taking the median voters place. All that the Labour party have done that is good (well nearly all) are conservative ideas. They do everything under a banner of equality, which they don't stand for. Thye aren't even true socialists and the majority of people who are educated about politics understand that they are just a pragmatic party with no principles.
LOL the Tory party don't own ideas.
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In my opinion theyre aren't really any viable options when it comes to voting for government these days. I was raised in a tory household but since turning 18 have only voted lib dem, they seem like the lesser of three evils to me.
go and have a look at the lib dem's website, also have a look at their local counicl websites, all their proposals are just vote winners in the areas and it varies radically, they always go on about improving access for all minorities though.
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LOL the Tory party don't own ideas.
well, they could patent them

however, it is a little sneaky and not very nice and shows that the oens they do come up with on their own are likely to be failures.
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well, they could patent them

however, it is a little sneaky and not very nice and shows that the oens they do come up with on their own are likely to be failures.
They haven't failed, they've done a much better job then the Tories... who have failed many times
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They haven't failed, they've done a much better job then the Tories... who have failed many times
oh so the tory failures like the huge unemployment levels under thatcher (not that thats a failure), in order to cause economic gain have actually allowed the Labour party to have decent economic prosperity. What have the Labour party done thats good, won a vote on foundation hospitals with Scottish MPs for whom it doesnt affect, trying to destroy a minority sport (under any other government it would be called discrimination, but here it is called anti-elitism).
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oh so the tory failures like the huge unemployment levels under thatcher (not that thats a failure), in order to cause economic gain have actually allowed the Labour party to have decent economic prosperity. What have the Labour party done thats good, won a vote on foundation hospitals with Scottish MPs for whom it doesnt affect, trying to destroy a minority sport (under any other government it would be called discrimination, but here it is called anti-elitism).
All this economic stuff baffles me. They have done so much, even if you don't think they have! Could you explain the foundation hospitals thing to me, as although I've heard the term I don't know much about it (I know I shouldn't be asking that as it looks like I don't have a clue what I'm talking about and I'm saying labour are great!).
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oh so the tory failures like the huge unemployment levels under thatcher (not that thats a failure), in order to cause economic gain have actually allowed the Labour party to have decent economic prosperity. What have the Labour party done thats good, won a vote on foundation hospitals with Scottish MPs for whom it doesnt affect, trying to destroy a minority sport (under any other government it would be called discrimination, but here it is called anti-elitism).
Sorry JSM the tories were incompetent and lived off the patriotic votes -the Falklands was a fiasco designed to give thatcher a new lease of life. the first Gulf war was also a publicity stunt designed to help a flagging tory govt. which was financially inept and totally administratively incompetent - all entrepreneurs got a kick in the teeth. Labour promised an end to sleaze and grease which clogged up the politics of this country but now they are starting to go down in the same way the Tories did. once interest rates start going up we are all screwed because we are all borrowing too much. Time that a rock band like Oasis backed Lib Dems - which is what Oasis did for labour in 94-97
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Sorry JSM the tories were incompetent and lived off the patriotic votes -the Falklands was a fiasco designed to give thatcher a new lease of life. the first Gulf war was also a publicity stunt designed to help a flagging tory govt. which was financially inept and totally administratively incompetent - all entrepreneurs got a kick in the teeth. Labour promised an end to sleaze and grease which clogged up the politics of this country but now they are starting to go down in the same way the Tories did. once interest rates start going up we are all screwed because we are all borrowing too much. Time that a rock band like Oasis backed Lib Dems - which is what Oasis did for labour in 94-97
Blair tried to live off patriotic votes, it failed. The first gulf war was not a publicity stunt, saddam hussein invaded Kuwait and we kicked them out, following america's lead (and then it would have partially backfired as we let teh marsh arabs die). Did we choose that he should do so. So what are you on. It was not financially inept or else we wpuld be in recession, black wednesday was caused by a financiar, george soros, who single handedly caused it to crash although we could have stayed in if we had taken a lot of economic pain. Sleeze did not happen under tory governments any more than under liberal or labour administrations, it was exposed when they launched a back to basics campaign. Surely you would rather have it in the open than not. Interest rates are set by the bank of england and they can see we are all borrowing too much, but raising interest rates is the only way of showing most people that they are.
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All this economic stuff baffles me. They have done so much, even if you don't think they have! Could you explain the foundation hospitals thing to me, as although I've heard the term I don't know much about it (I know I shouldn't be asking that as it looks like I don't have a clue what I'm talking about and I'm saying labour are great!).
basically, they are giving good hospitals (target setters- not necessarily making them good) financial independence - ie can raise money in the stockmarket, choose what they spend their money on. Therefore less red tape and they get even more money. However, other hospitals are going to be given less control, more red tape, more targets to meet (arguably leading to a worse standard of service). So it will be a two tier health system, part private hospitals, still funded by the government and even worse fully nationalised hospitals.

Sleaze for you, Tony Blair's nearest hospital to his constituency was raised to foundation status giving them this greater independence, despite it not meeting conditions.
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Blair tried to live off patriotic votes, it failed. The first gulf war was not a publicity stunt, saddam hussein invaded Kuwait and we kicked them out, following america's lead (and then it would have partially backfired as we let teh marsh arabs die). Did we choose that he should do so. So what are you on. It was not financially inept or else we wpuld be in recession, black wednesday was caused by a financiar, george soros, who single handedly caused it to crash although we could have stayed in if we had taken a lot of economic pain. Sleeze did not happen under tory governments any more than under liberal or labour administrations, it was exposed when they launched a back to basics campaign. Surely you would rather have it in the open than not. Interest rates are set by the bank of england and they can see we are all borrowing too much, but raising interest rates is the only way of showing most people that they are.
I take your point but I am not on anything thank you. Why havent we taken control of the situation in Zimbabwe yet - Mugabe is a madman threatening the lives of much of Africa because they produce so much food for the rest and are currently unable to do so with the crap farmers who are Mug friends and cronies - i'll tell you why - it isnt strategically important enough - dont tell me that the basis for all these wars was one of compassion and sympathy - or else Zimbabwe would have been dealt with long before especially considering the considerable ex-pat community out there
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And anyway we should give Lib Dems a chance because they won't get involved in costly wars and would be inheriting a sound economic situation. What is the worst that they could do - their ideas are radical and might be just what we need to give this country a jump-start - and if they are poor administrators a vote of no confidence would have them out in a jiffy
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