Angela Carter&#x27;s Wise Children

eskimomelon

Wise children is the novel we're studying for our AS lit course. Has/is anyone else studied/studying this? If so any tips or notes or just general chat about the book would be great! thanks

I did it last year and really loved it. You can pm me if you have any questions or want to dicuss anything about it too peacenik x

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peacenik

I did it last year and really loved it. You can pm me if you have any questions or want to dicuss anything about it too peacenik x

hi
can u also help me..as i m doin wise children this yr in my AS level..just give me some hints how to revise this book if u can thnks

shivali

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shivali

hi
can u also help me..as i m doin wise children this yr in my AS level..just give me some hints how to revise this book if u can thnks

shivali

It's really hard to revise it generally. I think the best way if definitely practice essays. unfortunatly because its fairly new there aren't many around but you can make them up such as; explore carters presentation of....insert theme/character/motif etc

Other than that get used to picking out and learning quotations.

Make notes on all the characters with quotes, themes,things like twins,role of the father,patriarchal society,shakespeare,literature within literature etc etc the list goes on

I find just making notes on all these things helpful because you are collating examples, effects, reasons, and differing points of view an all these things which is invaluable when it comes to writing essays on it.

hope that helps peacenik x

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thnks peacenik

peacenik

it's really hard to ravise it generally i think the best way if definatly practice essays. unfortunatly because its fairly new there arent many around but you can make them up such as; explore carters presentation of....insert theme/character/motif etc

Othere than that get used to picking out and learning quotations.

Make notes on all the characters with quotes, themes,things like twins,role of the father,patriarchal society,shakespeare,literature within literature etc etc the list goes on

I find just making notes on all these things helpful because you are collating examples, effects, reasons, and differing points of view an all these things which is invaluable when it comes to writing essays on it.

hope that helps peacenik x

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scrumpy

yeh essays help a lot, and finding where themes run within the book; like twins, shakespeare, fathers, drama etc. learn some of the important quotes too, like to do with the whole twin image thing eg when they both die their hair black, because they're twins they both have to do it, if one does it and not the other it defies the point of being twins kinda thing.

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Meat Loaf Rocks

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I'm doing it too. It seems to be a very good novel. There is loads of alliterative refernces throughout in particular to shakespearse. Tiffany takes on two different shakespearean character in her 8 pages.

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i didn't really get it means how Tiffany takes on two shakespearen characters in this nocel..plz expand this a bit..thnks

and 1 more thing

wot r the roles of fathers and mothers in this novel..

thnks

Shivali

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Meat Loaf Rocks

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shivali

i didn't really get it means how Tiffany takes on two shakespearen characters in this nocel..plz expand this a bit..thnks

and 1 more thing

wot r the roles of fathers and mothers in this novel..

thnks

Shivali

This is part of a n essay I'm writing, I hope it explains

Later in the first chapter, when we see the video of the game show we notice that Tiffany adopts roles from a couple of Shakespeare’s plays and quite often quoting or paraphrasing specific lines. These allusions to Shakespeare give Tiffany some credibility in her breakdown and stops the reader from thinking she is a drama queen. The purple top she is wearing and the giving of flowers is all a reference to the Ophelia in Hamlet, this also gives us a clue to her death, as Ophelia goes on to drown surrounded by purple imagery. Tiffany also paraphrases King Lear, ‘Off with it! You only lent it to me! Nothing was mine, not ever!’ King Lear had all his belongs stolen from him by his daughters; this again reinforces the fact that Tiffany’s life was ‘stolen’ from her.

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ohk Meat Loaf Rocks..actually i didn't see the video of this novel...just finished 1 and half chapters in a book in class...well thnks for tht help

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scrumpy

shivali

ohk Meat Loaf Rocks..actually i didn't see the video of this novel...just finished 1 and half chapters in a book in class...well thnks for tht help

I think Meat Loaf Rocks means the bit within the first chapter where Dora and Nora sit down and watch the video tape of the game show that tiffany was in....

The role of fathers in the book is that Melchoir is Nora and Dora's real father yet Perry is the one who really brings them up, with sending cheques to Grandma and buying them gifts etc. And the same thing happens with the mothers, the real mother isn't around (because she died in childbirth) and so an adoptive parent comes in the form of Grandma. Basically the biological parents aren't around so adoptive ones take their place kinda thing.... at least, this is one way of looking at it.

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hey scrumpy and Meat Loaf Rocks

thnks for tht info...

keep smiling..bye

Shivali

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hi again

can ny1 tell me how angela Carter has anlaysied the roles of perrin and melchior in Wise Children..i have to give my presentation on this friday, so to get some positive responses as i usually get..thnks

shivali

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shivali

hi again

can ny1 tell me how angela Carter has anlaysied the roles of perrin and melchior in Wise Children..i have to give my presentation on this friday, so to get some positive responses as i usually get..thnks

shivali

How Carter analysed them? Or how she presents them? Could you explain what you mean and i might be able to help peacenik x

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its how carter anaylsed them in the novel??

thnks again
cya

Shivali

peacenik

How Carter analysed them? Or how she presents them? Could you explain what you mean and i might be able to help peacenik x

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ok that seems a bit of a wierd title but I'll try....

They are used to contrast with each other, on a very simplistic level they are two sides to patricarchal society;peregrine the caring but hopeless side (he looks after n and d despite them not being his children, does the honourable thing but isn't very good at it) and melchior who doesnt recognise his own daughters. Melchior is presented as the epitome of patriarchal society and peregrine is used to ridicule him eg. the parrot incidence and teasing him over the crown saved from the burning house and upstaging him at mel's hundreth party. in particular he demansculinates mel, eg parrot and crown (where he makes him look like a child)...

Actually I dont think any of this is going to be of any help. Firstly I havent done WC for a while so its all coming out a bit garbled and secondly its from ( a rather dodgy) memory. Also I dont really understand what they mean by how Carter analysed them...I dont think carter does that just presents them in such a way that the reader comes to certain conclusions. I'm sorry this isnt much help, let me know what you come up with because I really cannot see what they are getting at, peacenik xx

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