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Has anyone sat, or is thinking of sitting Critical Thinking AEA. It seems to be a more straightforward follow-on from the AS (given that there is no A2 at the mo).
I wonder what uni's think of it.
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[posting here cause I think its the most likely place to get a response]

Has anyone sat, or is thinking of sitting Critical Thinking AEA. It seems to be a more straightforward follow-on from the AS (given that there is no A2 at the mo).
I wonder what uni's think of it.
I doubt they think much of it. Critical Thinking AS is a nice addition to have but any more than that and it's a bit pointless imo. You'll get a much better response from unis if you do an AEA in a different 'proper' subject (not saying Critical Thinking isn't worthwhile but just saying that unis don't see it as 'hardcore' as say History or Chemistry).
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What sort of questions are on it?
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(Original post by Hmmm)
[posting here cause I think its the most likely place to get a response]

Has anyone sat, or is thinking of sitting Critical Thinking AEA. It seems to be a more straightforward follow-on from the AS (given that there is no A2 at the mo).
I wonder what uni's think of it.
I reckon that a lot of unis will highly value it actually. Especially if you're applying to do a subject in which it'll come in use...like law..

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isnt critical thinking considered extremely mickey mouse? as in slightly above general studies but valued less than say media studies and business studies. (controversial I know but im happy to argue about it)
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isnt critical thinking considered extremely mickey mouse? as in slightly above general studies but valued less than say media studies and business studies. (controversial I know but im happy to argue about it)
Pfff, less than General Studies.
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isnt critical thinking considered extremely mickey mouse? as in slightly above general studies but valued less than say media studies and business studies. (controversial I know but im happy to argue about it)
I don't think so...because the main aim of the course is to learn how to structure and analyse arguments...and find weakness and strength in them too. I reckon that this could be a valuable skill....especially in heavily essay-based subjects.

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Actually universities are very keen on Critical Thinking apparently. I mean, isn't part of the Cambridge application a test about half of which is on critical thinking? Do well in the AS and you're basically proving (elsewhere too) that you have the skills required. It's nothing like General Studies.
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I mean, isn't part of the Cambridge application a test about half of which is on critical thinking?
No, some subjects require a test at interview but there is no general critical thinking test. You are probably thinking of the BMAT, which potential oxbridge/london medics have to sit. I think this consists of a sort of IQ test, a science based aptitude test and an english test.
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I don't think so...because the main aim of the course is to learn how to structure and analyse arguments...and find weakness and strength in them too. I reckon that this could be a valuable skill....especially in heavily essay-based subjects.

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The name is good yes. But if business studies was really an indepth look at how businesses run and work then it would be great, but sadly it isnt.
General studies does not expand our all round knowledge like it is supposed to either. I dont think a university is going to go wow if they saw a critical thinking AEA
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No, some subjects require a test at interview but there is no general critical thinking test. You are probably thinking of the BMAT, which potential oxbridge/london medics have to sit. I think this consists of a sort of IQ test, a science based aptitude test and an english test.
Actually, some compsci people at Cambridge had to take a 'thinking skills test'. This was half mathmematics type questions, and half critical thinking. You can download a few example questions from the link on this page:
http://www.cam.ac.uk/cambuniv/undergrad/tests/tsa.html

I happen to know that Oxbridge colleges (well Cambridge colleges at least) do not particularly value AS level Critical Thinking.
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Actually, some compsci people at Cambridge had to take a 'thinking skills test'. This was half mathmematics type questions, and half critical thinking. You can download a few example questions from the link on this page:
http://www.cam.ac.uk/cambuniv/undergrad/tests/tsa.html

I happen to know that Oxbridge colleges (well Cambridge colleges at least) do not particularly value AS level Critical Thinking.
Personally, I think you should not waste the opportunity of an AS level on this type of thing, and do an AS level that is more 'respected'. You can easily pick this skill up by reading some books which specialise in this (found in the philosophy section of bookstores). If you want me to recommend a really good book (that doesnt go into formal logic) that I have, then let me know.
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Personally, I think you should not waste the opportunity of an AS level on this type of thing, and do an AS level that is more 'respected'. You can easily pick this skill up by reading some books which specialise in this (found in the philosophy section of bookstores). If you want me to recommend a really good book (that doesnt go into formal logic) that I have, then let me know.
I did AS crit thinking...but only cos it's compulsory in my school...instead of general studies...

Personally...i think CT is better than GS...and i did actually find it interesting!! Yes...i know....i'm sad.... lol

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I did AS crit thinking...but only cos it's compulsory in my school...instead of general studies...

Personally...i think CT is better than GS...and i did actually find it interesting!! Yes...i know....i'm sad.... lol

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I don't understand how you could spend an entire year on CT....did you go into formal logic? What was the most challenging thing you came up on? What grade did you get?
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You can easily pick this skill up by reading some books which specialise in this (found in the philosophy section of bookstores).
I did the BMAT in November where one section contains a lot of critical thinking-type questions (e.g. say what the flaw in this arguement is etc.) and I found that just going over a few past paper questions and their complementary mark schemes was sufficient enough in providing me with the necessary CT skills I needed in the exam. No doubt an AEA in CT is much harder but I personally feel that it's quite a lot to do with common sense/logical thinking - so it isn't that hard to pick up.
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I did the BMAT in November where one section contains a lot of critical thinking-type questions (e.g. say what the flaw in this arguement is etc.) and I found that just going over a few past paper questions and their complementary mark schemes was sufficient enough in providing me with the necessary CT skills I needed in the exam. No doubt an AEA in CT is much harder but I personally feel that it's quite a lot to do with common sense/logical thinking - so it isn't that hard to pick up.
Yes, I agree it is quite easy to pick up, but sometimes these tests manage to put a few questions in that may seem obvious at first, but in actual fact, they are quite tricky.

I would recommend that anyone who is about to sit any kind of CT test to read a book on it and PRACTICE. It's really important to get into the habit of working through examples by doing it in steps (conclusion, reasons, intermediate conclusions, assumptions,etc) and the only way to get good at it is by practice. These books have heaps of examples....AND ANSWERS!
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Actually, some compsci people at Cambridge had to take a 'thinking skills test'. This was half mathmematics type questions, and half critical thinking. You can download a few example questions from the link on this page:
http://www.cam.ac.uk/cambuniv/undergrad/tests/tsa.html

I happen to know that Oxbridge colleges (well Cambridge colleges at least) do not particularly value AS level Critical Thinking.
Yes, that's what I'm talking about. They're thinking of making them universal though, if I remember rightly.
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Yes, that's what I'm talking about. They're thinking of making them universal though, if I remember rightly.
Yep, you're right, I read a little bit about it in the Daily Telegraph a short while ago. Also the same people who design those tests (University of Cambridge - Local Examinations Syndicate) design the BMAT
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I don't understand how you could spend an entire year on CT....did you go into formal logic? What was the most challenging thing you came up on? What grade did you get?
It didn't take a year...i started having lessons in skl once a week from september...and just took the exam last week...there's not that much to learn for it.

It's not really that hard...you just learn about flaws in arguments, assumptions made...different methods of arguing a case...stuff like that.

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Why don't you ask the appropriate admissions tutor. I am sure (s)he would be willing to answer your question. At the end of the day any other replies are speculation. Only Cambridge know how much they would value a critical AEA paper.

All I know is that when I had my interview and mentioned that I was doing an English AEA the interviewer said they were strongly encouraged.
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