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I think if you used the same question on murder you'd have more takers. If I knew I wouldn't get caught there are 3 or 4 people from my past I would be very tempted to take out in revenge.
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I just looked up the study on the net nad apparently they were shown a tape of someone commiting a sexual act and not getting caught. I would have thought the distress of the victim would have put them off.
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I think if you used the same question on murder you'd have more takers. If I knew I wouldn't get caught there are 3 or 4 people from my past I would be very tempted to take out in revenge.
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alarming but again probably true in principle but murder would even worse to actually physically commit than rape i would think having said that tho they are both things i would never consider doing (adds that after realising i sound like a freak)
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alarming but again probably true in principle but murder would even worse to actually physically commit than rape i would think having said that tho they are both things i would never consider doing (adds that after realising i sound like a freak)

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Can I just say, I hate Rap.
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Can I just say, I hate Rap.
would go with that, does more damage than murder since it is often hidden by embarrassement
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I can't believe some of the things I'm reading here. Women should be allowed to dress any way they want and not be afraid of the kind of attention it will attract. Of course, it might not be sensible for them to dress like this, but it does not mean they are "asking for it" and they should certainly not be punished for the way they look.

You are blaming the way women dress for the way men behave, but it is all too often the things that men like which dictate the way women dress, sometimes in a very subtle way. I think if we're looking for something to blame for rape then you'd have more luck looking in, for example, the porn industry, which shows something like 80% of the women who are raped actually enjoying it, and give men the mistaken impression that women are just sitting around waiting for them to have sex with/rape them.
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(Original post by Speciez99)
alarming but again probably true in principle but murder would even worse to actually physically commit than rape i would think having said that tho they are both things i would never consider doing (adds that after realising i sound like a freak)
If you had the ability to kill someone with no risk of being caught...I know its a bit judge dredd, but i think i would actually take out some truly nasty pieces of work i have come across. I still think killers who gloat their deeds don't deserve to live. Like that racist lad who killed the asian (maybe black) kid who had 2 mjore days left in jail for theft
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If you had the ability to kill someone with no risk of being caught...I know its a bit judge dredd, but i think i would actually take out some truly nasty pieces of work i have come across. I still think killers who gloat their deeds don't deserve to live. Like that racist lad who killed the asian (maybe black) kid who had 2 mjore days left in jail for theft
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Or that rascist Winston Sillcott who beheaded PC Keith Blakelock.
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I can't believe some of the things I'm reading here. Women should be allowed to dress any way they want and not be afraid of the kind of attention it will attract. Of course, it might not be sensible for them to dress like this, but it does not mean they are "asking for it" and they should certainly not be punished for the way they look.

You are blaming the way women dress for the way men behave, but it is all too often the things that men like which dictate the way women dress, sometimes in a very subtle way. I think if we're looking for something to blame for rape then you'd have more luck looking in, for example, the porn industry, which shows something like 80% of the women who are raped actually enjoying it, and give men the mistaken impression that women are just sitting around waiting for them to have sex with/rape them.
will give u positive rep for this tomorrow if you sent me a message to remind me! v.good post
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will give u positive rep for this tomorrow if you sent me a message to remind me! v.good post

Why thank you Speciez, it will be my very first rep! (Despite the fact that I have contributed greatly to many threads here )

Yay!
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Why thank you Speciez, it will be my very first rep! (Despite the fact that I have contributed greatly to many threads here )

Yay!
Yes, a good post. Actually, worthy of another thread in fact.....viz.......should pornography be banned?
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no woman should ever have to be raped.
the clothes someone wears does not ever and should not ever be interpreted as giving permission to anyone to have sex with them. i think the word 'deserving' should not be used in this conversation. i would not wish rape upon anyone and i dont think murder is comparable.
rape is an awful, despicable form of sex. Sex should be be enjoyable and consentful. murder is murder, it still results in death. rape does not have the same results as 'love-making' (excuse the cliche but i'm trying to differentiate the two and 'sex' is a confusing term)

no-one ever deserves to be raped and i think 'why' is a very good question and i think it's one that should be addressed. i don't know that i agree that porn is completely to blame. but something is and it needs to be sorted


sorry. this is all a bit jumbled but i cant really sort out what im tryin to say.
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no woman should ever have to be raped.
the clothes someone wears does not ever and should not ever be interpreted as giving permission to anyone to have sex with them. i think the word 'deserving' should not be used in this conversation. i would not wish rape upon anyone and i dont think murder is comparable.
rape is an awful, despicable form of sex. Sex should be be enjoyable and consentful. murder is murder, it still results in death. rape does not have the same results as 'love-making' (excuse the cliche but i'm trying to differentiate the two and 'sex' is a confusing term)

no-one ever deserves to be raped and i think 'why' is a very good question and i think it's one that should be addressed. i don't know that i agree that porn is completely to blame. but something is and it needs to be sorted


sorry. this is all a bit jumbled but i cant really sort out what im tryin to say.


Sorry if I was misleading, I would never claim that porn is completely to blame. I just wanted to point out that it is much more of a factor that how a woman dresses, something she should have complete freedom on, and if we wanted to attack something for rape, it is a better option.
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Sorry if I was misleading, I would never claim that porn is completely to blame. I just wanted to point out that it is much more of a factor that how a woman dresses, something she should have complete freedom on, and if we wanted to attack something for rape, it is a better option.
surely you could argue porn mitigates it as more men can fanatasise rather than having to do something about it. How a woman dresses, there is trouble with. Blokes can get done for soliciting if they approach a woman in skimpily dressed clothing.

Women should just be careful of drawing attention anyway, like for example if some bloke starts acting aggressive towards me on the train i just walk away, although i could beat the hell outta them (what if they have friends).
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no woman should ever have to be raped.
the clothes someone wears does not ever and should not ever be interpreted as giving permission to anyone to have sex with them. i think the word 'deserving' should not be used in this conversation. i would not wish rape upon anyone and i dont think murder is comparable.
rape is an awful, despicable form of sex. Sex should be be enjoyable and consentful. murder is murder, it still results in death. rape does not have the same results as 'love-making' (excuse the cliche but i'm trying to differentiate the two and 'sex' is a confusing term)

no-one ever deserves to be raped and i think 'why' is a very good question and i think it's one that should be addressed. i don't know that i agree that porn is completely to blame. but something is and it needs to be sorted


sorry. this is all a bit jumbled but i cant really sort out what im tryin to say.
in a nutshell - nobody deserves rape irregardless of dress (well of course...)

if a woman has to completely cover herself up everytime in order to be able to say "there, no excuse 4 rape now" then i think that is pretty sick.
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Sorry if I was misleading, I would never claim that porn is completely to blame. I just wanted to point out that it is much more of a factor that how a woman dresses, something she should have complete freedom on, and if we wanted to attack something for rape, it is a better option.
oh no yeah. i didnt think you were saying it was completely to blame. at least i dont think i did (sorry-am v.tired)
i think anything that shows women as being restricted or submissive to men in sex should be considered. in terms of film classification though (sorry-bit of a random leap but it just came to me) in Shallow Hal, he meets that girl that's into S+M and that's shown as one big joke. should it have been Shallow Hannah and she'd met a guy really into S+M, that wouldnt have been funny.

but yeah, what i was gonna say was that i think any instance in which women are seen to be submissive to men or not in control in a sexual situation should be very much considered. i know we're not all as impressionabe as the minority, but if taking that all out of people's sight, would it lessen the number of people influenced by seeing such things?
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surely you could argue porn mitigates it as more men can fanatasise rather than having to do something about it. How a woman dresses, there is trouble with. Blokes can get done for soliciting if they approach a woman in skimpily dressed clothing.

Women should just be careful of drawing attention anyway, like for example if some bloke starts acting aggressive towards me on the train i just walk away, although i could beat the hell outta them (what if they have friends).

that was what i was trying to say earlier...although i think u put it into more successful phrasing than me
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surely you could argue porn mitigates it as more men can fanatasise rather than having to do something about it. How a woman dresses, there is trouble with. Blokes can get done for soliciting if they approach a woman in skimpily dressed clothing.

Women should just be careful of drawing attention anyway, like for example if some bloke starts acting aggressive towards me on the train i just walk away, although i could beat the hell outta them (what if they have friends).
so if you a bloke dont go approach women in skimpy clothing, solves all the problems
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oh no yeah. i didnt think you were saying it was completely to blame. at least i dont think i did (sorry-am v.tired)
i think anything that shows women as being restricted or submissive to men in sex should be considered. in terms of film classification though (sorry-bit of a random leap but it just came to me) in Shallow Hal, he meets that girl that's into S+M and that's shown as one big joke. should it have been Shallow Hannah and she'd met a guy really into S+M, that wouldnt have been funny.

but yeah, what i was gonna say was that i think any instance in which women are seen to be submissive to men or not in control in a sexual situation should be very much considered. i know we're not all as impressionabe as the minority, but if taking that all out of people's sight, would it lessen the number of people influenced by seeing such things?
well then women already have too much control over blokes (let them live out their dreams) and most S & M is about men being submissive.
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so if you a bloke dont go approach women in skimpy clothing, solves all the problems
why not, what if you want to sleep with a prostitute as prostitution is not illegal (i think) but they can nab you on soliciting.
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