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http://www.rng.nl/html/publicatiesvanwesenbeeck1994.htm

yeah admittadly its dutch and its from 1994, it still says tho prostitues have often had a "low level of well-being". i know im gonna get ppl shouting at me that i just googled this, i did and the fact i found this so easily shows how big a problem it is (this is going off point)
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such a gentleman
well i was, till women got stuck up about it. though if a girl pulls a knife on me, id probably try and sweet talk her first (well i probably would be successful - cos im charming) rather than hurting her (see if this had been a bloke i would have said rather than killing him).
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http://www.rng.nl/html/publicatiesvanwesenbeeck1994.htm

yeah admittadly its dutch and its from 1994, it still says tho prostitues have often had a "low level of well-being". i know im gonna get ppl shouting at me that i just googled this, i did and the fact i found this so easily shows how big a problem it is (this is going off point)
well we live in a capitalist world, they can find another job - go offer at macdonald's if they really have such a low level of job satisfaction.
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well i was, till women got stuck up about it. though if a girl pulls a knife on me, id probably try and sweet talk her first (well i probably would be successful - cos im charming) rather than hurting her (see if this had been a bloke i would have said rather than killing him).
wow - now my opinion has changed completely although 'well i probably would be successful - cos im charming' is COCKY imo

got stuck up about you being a gentleman? :confused:
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stats are worth bull, cos i can manipulate them.


you can't just dismiss scientific studies as "bull"
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you can't just dismiss scientific studies as "bull"
um, yes i can because they dont mean anything as it depends on waht was asked, who they asked, where it was done, living conditions there.

Well i cant, but in my opinion they are.
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(Original post by Tinykates)
wow - now my opinion has changed completely although 'well i probably would be successful - cos im charming' is COCKY imo
well thats what i was told

(Original post by Tinykates)
got stuck up about you being a gentleman? :confused:
um yeah like me offering my seat to women on the train when i was like 11 and stuff - mentally scarred me.
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um, yes i can because they dont mean anything as it depends on waht was asked, who they asked, where it was done, living conditions there.

Well i cant, but in my opinion they are.


Have you read any of them? I think you should before you dismiss them, because I'm sure some of them can be, but others can't in my opinion.
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well we live in a capitalist world, they can find another job - go offer at macdonald's if they really have such a low level of job satisfaction.
do u know what a pimp does? has it occured you u they would if they could. people dont do things that are awful if they can help it, these people are not in a social positon to do what you say
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do u know what a pimp does? has it occured you u they would if they could. people dont do things that are awful if they can help it, these people are not in a social positon to do what you say

how do u know these people view it as awful? obviously from general decent upbringing we naturally view that as disgraceful, but u never know what other people tink. not everyone has the same morals
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Have you read any of them? I think you should before you dismiss them, because I'm sure some of them can be, but others can't in my opinion.
IMO i can dismiss anything i want, although i would agree with you
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do u know what a pimp does? has it occured you u they would if they could. people dont do things that are awful if they can help it, these people are not in a social positon to do what you say
not all prostitutes have pimps
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how do u know these people view it as awful? obviously from general decent upbringing we naturally view that as disgraceful, but u never know what other people tink. not everyone has the same morals
wait your telling me you are aspiring to this job, cos as you say it might be alright even after i present a study saying its not ok, they dont enjoy it? you are joking right? what would be good about being a prostitute?
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not all prostitutes have pimps
taking the fact you didnt challenge the rest of that thread can it be safetly assumed you agree with that bit?

no they dont, but some do, and? whats your point?
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wait your telling me you are aspiring to this job, cos as you say it might be alright even after i present a study saying its not ok, they dont enjoy it? you are joking right? what would be good about being a prostitute?
some women get kicks from it - see this months GQ, one of their columnists (female) writes about it. Some will undoubtedly enjoy it, they do channel 5 documentaries on it sometimes. Prostitute- lots of money and lots of sex.
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wait your telling me you are aspiring to this job, cos as you say it might be alright even after i present a study saying its not ok, they dont enjoy it? you are joking right? what would be good about being a prostitute?

yeah but u see u immediately jump to the conclusion that i'm aspiring to the job, i'm just saying there are different opinions on this subject matter, other people may not view it as such a sinful thing. i personally wouldn't want to become a prositute, i have my morals and beliefs that i follow and i don't think from my upbringing i can think of anything positive about prositution, but that doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same way as i do
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taking the fact you didnt challenge the rest of that thread can it be safetly assumed you agree with that bit?

no they dont, but some do, and? whats your point?
no i dont agree with it, social postion, yes sometimes they can do things about it. You have this feminised view of porn/prostitutes. They actually say "We are exploiting middle aged men with credit cards" which is true. I would focus on the poor blokes who cant actually get a woman for consensual sex.
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yeah but u see u immediately jump to the conclusion that i'm aspiring to the job, i'm just saying there are different opinions on this subject matter, other people may not view it as such a sinful thing. i personally wouldn't want to become a prositute, i have my morals and beliefs that i follow and i don't think from my upbringing i can think of anything positive about prositution, but that doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same way as i do
the bit about the job = scarcasim i sorry if i doesnt come across well on the net.

this has nothing to do with moral beliefs. the question is whether women have a choice if they want to be prostitues, the answer to recap is for most people working the streets is no, they would prefer to do other things but dont have the chance to due to all sorts of things like drug habbits, forceful pimps, being illegal immigrants ect. JSM seem to think they choice to be prostitutes due to the fact as he puts it "they get kicks out of it" (JSM if you want to express your view clearer again it might be good for everyone)

however this is a side issue in this topic which was really on do women ask to be raped by the clothes they wear, and does porn encourage or discourage men to rape, things i would personally prefer to dicuss rather than this issue
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the bit about the job = scarcasim i sorry if i doesnt come across well on the net.

this has nothing to do with moral beliefs. the question is whether women have a choice if they want to be prostitues, the answer to recap is for most people working the streets is no, they would prefer to do other things but dont have the chance to due to all sorts of things like drug habbits, forceful pimps, being illegal immigrants ect. JSM seem to think they choice to be prostitutes due to the fact as he puts it "they get kicks out of it" (JSM if you want to express your view clearer again it might be good for everyone)

however this is a side issue in this topic which was really on do women ask to be raped by the clothes they wear, and does porn encourage or discourage men to rape, things i would personally prefer to dicuss rather than this issue
i don't think any woman asks to be raped, however i do think certain items of clothing do cause lead ons, or encouragment, not necessarily deliberate, all i'm saying is that if women don't want to cause as much attention (unwanted that is) then maybe they should look at their dress sense, sure everyone has a right to dress, but its their choice if people find this misleading....as for the porn, i have absolutely no idea nor valid opinion to make :confused:
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the bit about the job = scarcasim i sorry if i doesnt come across well on the net.

this has nothing to do with moral beliefs. the question is whether women have a choice if they want to be prostitues, the answer to recap is for most people working the streets is no, they would prefer to do other things but dont have the chance to due to all sorts of things like drug habbits, forceful pimps, being illegal immigrants ect. JSM seem to think they choice to be prostitutes due to the fact as he puts it "they get kicks out of it" (JSM if you want to express your view clearer again it might be good for everyone)

however this is a side issue in this topic which was really on do women ask to be raped by the clothes they wear, and does porn encourage or discourage men to rape, things i would personally prefer to dicuss rather than this issue
I dont think i can express it clearer. Many prostitutes are surely stuck in that rut by "drug habbits, forceful pimps, being illegal immigrants etc." however surely that is an argument for legalisation as then these conditions would be subject to the rules of the workplace. These happen, precisely because it is illegal and therefore there is no one to turn to. Some women do get kicks out of it though and for others it is a lifestyle choice, there were documentaries on American Prostitutes channel five/ four and in them, many clearly added they were in there for the money, the kicks or because it has been their lifestyle choice.


Well are skimpy clothes worn knowingly - yes
are skimpy clothes meant to attract attention to the bared bits/unshown bits - yes
so do women knowingly flaunt their bodies in order to attract attention by dressing in skimp clothes -yes.
do these women attract attention - yes
do they want this attention - well presumably they set out to get it.
therefore women complain about unwelcome attention they recive -yes
is their complaint about the attention unwarrented - yes

and there are side effects like getting the wrong kind of attention and that is something they should be wary of, although i do agree in principle that they should be free to wear what they want.
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