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the dark side of keele
I've held back for over 3 weeks with what I'm about to say as I know you frsher's are very excited about starting uni but things are increasingly coming to ahead and time is running out and I'm livid with Keele University.
As you are aware, term starts on Monday, today is Thursday night and tomorrow is the last remaining day that the people working in the offices at Keele have before Monday.
Basically this all goes back my Public Law I & II exam, where we had a 'seen' question which required us to prepare an essay. The exam is made up of three sections, however, when we got into the exam there was no seen question on the paper, so we all asked the invigilator about it and he told us the crack on and someone from the law dept would be down in 5 minutes.
Anyone with common sense would presume that the seen question part would arrive and we could do it at the end. However it took 50 mins for someone to come down, that's nearly half way through the exam we had started.
As if that's not bad enough, they brought us BRAND NEW PAPERS so the work we had already done no longer counted. I personally felt I did my best work in those first 50 mins. The room was buzzing with anger and tension, some people just walked out. We were told we then had 2hrs from that point. This severly knocked my concentration and my enthusiasm for the paper, as well as most other people.
In addition, my grandad died and that was clearly on my mind, I'm still heartbroken and makes me feel like crying everytime I think of him not being here. I also had severe money issues on my mind and still had no where to live sorted for the 2nd year. In fact I would go so far to say I was depressed, but at the time I couldn't see it to seek out professional counselling. Because I couldn't see the impact my mental health was having on my life I though I could cope on my own, and it was no one's business that my grandad died, so I didn't fill out an extenuating circumstances form.
So now this one module is preventing me from entering 2nd year studies because I failed the resit, which I can't understand but as I had been working 6 days a week to raise money for my house I can probably put that down to that, but at the end of the day I shouldn't have had to resit in the first place.
Keele messed it up and now I'm starting to feel down again, this time I will be making use of the counsellors at uni. This is how much this is getting to me, I've spent all day crying and I can't concentrate on anything.
I have an appeal going onat the moment to see if I can carry on to next year like everyone else (bearing in mind I did well on my other exams) but i was told i'd get the result on monday 19th september. I rang up, couldn't get through all day. tried again on tuesday, no answer. tried again on wednesday, got through, they told me to ring back today after lunch. No one bothered to call me, and term starts on MONDAY! They told me that the appeals board will uphold my appeal only if I can provide evidence that my granddad died - 24 hours notice!
24 hours notice to ask my nan for her husband's death certificate and get it to Keele. I can't beleive that they've left it so late and have been so insensitive to ask for a death certificate.
Keele think the universe revolves around them and at the end of the day, they're not even that good a university. they have seriously upset me and my family.
I'm angry and I'm not doing myself justice here, but just beware that at uni no-one cares, you are just a number and a statistic that they want to get through the system and make money off you. They are business at the end of the day.
Sorry about the long post.
Dani
As you are aware, term starts on Monday, today is Thursday night and tomorrow is the last remaining day that the people working in the offices at Keele have before Monday.
Basically this all goes back my Public Law I & II exam, where we had a 'seen' question which required us to prepare an essay. The exam is made up of three sections, however, when we got into the exam there was no seen question on the paper, so we all asked the invigilator about it and he told us the crack on and someone from the law dept would be down in 5 minutes.
Anyone with common sense would presume that the seen question part would arrive and we could do it at the end. However it took 50 mins for someone to come down, that's nearly half way through the exam we had started.
As if that's not bad enough, they brought us BRAND NEW PAPERS so the work we had already done no longer counted. I personally felt I did my best work in those first 50 mins. The room was buzzing with anger and tension, some people just walked out. We were told we then had 2hrs from that point. This severly knocked my concentration and my enthusiasm for the paper, as well as most other people.
In addition, my grandad died and that was clearly on my mind, I'm still heartbroken and makes me feel like crying everytime I think of him not being here. I also had severe money issues on my mind and still had no where to live sorted for the 2nd year. In fact I would go so far to say I was depressed, but at the time I couldn't see it to seek out professional counselling. Because I couldn't see the impact my mental health was having on my life I though I could cope on my own, and it was no one's business that my grandad died, so I didn't fill out an extenuating circumstances form.
So now this one module is preventing me from entering 2nd year studies because I failed the resit, which I can't understand but as I had been working 6 days a week to raise money for my house I can probably put that down to that, but at the end of the day I shouldn't have had to resit in the first place.
Keele messed it up and now I'm starting to feel down again, this time I will be making use of the counsellors at uni. This is how much this is getting to me, I've spent all day crying and I can't concentrate on anything.
I have an appeal going onat the moment to see if I can carry on to next year like everyone else (bearing in mind I did well on my other exams) but i was told i'd get the result on monday 19th september. I rang up, couldn't get through all day. tried again on tuesday, no answer. tried again on wednesday, got through, they told me to ring back today after lunch. No one bothered to call me, and term starts on MONDAY! They told me that the appeals board will uphold my appeal only if I can provide evidence that my granddad died - 24 hours notice!
24 hours notice to ask my nan for her husband's death certificate and get it to Keele. I can't beleive that they've left it so late and have been so insensitive to ask for a death certificate.
Keele think the universe revolves around them and at the end of the day, they're not even that good a university. they have seriously upset me and my family.
I'm angry and I'm not doing myself justice here, but just beware that at uni no-one cares, you are just a number and a statistic that they want to get through the system and make money off you. They are business at the end of the day.
Sorry about the long post.
Dani
Yeah my dad got it this evening and we'll fax it over tomorrow, its a pain that I can't get there in the flesh to fight my case. I could have done, but I couldn't get through to them at uni to find out when my appeal was being heard, its abismal. Its taken 4 days to find out my result from the date I was told I would have it. They're so unprofessional.
And out of around 300 only 20 sat the resit with me, which I couldn't understand at all considering the circumstances. I was 6 marks short too. I should have appealed then but I was stupid by thinking I had no case and that no one will listen to me, I thought they'd think I was just making excuses.
I don't knowhow I've let myself get into this hole, I try so so so hard in everything I do, yet Keele just kick me while I'm down.
I don't knowhow I've let myself get into this hole, I try so so so hard in everything I do, yet Keele just kick me while I'm down.
That uberly sucks. I'm sure if you were only 6 marks short and there was a mess-up with the paper you mentioned they should let you through to next year. If not then...well I honeslty don't know what to suggest since I'm not at Uni but I thought they'd have been much more professional about the whole thing. Damn Keele. Is there a way to appeal against the appeal or is that just me talking crap? Hope you feel better soon, don't worry about stuff. You'll be alright
I totally agree that Universities are run as businesses and thats wrong. Its when that happens that there is more temptation to feed people with falsehood and lies. And lies are extremely dangerous!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dani said that she still hadn't found herself accomodation for the second yr by the time of the re-sit. Well, Keele 2nd year officially starts in 3 days and I still haven't found a place!! Well.... sorta but all are loose possibilities. So Dani, you have your head screwed on a lot better than I do.
I had mental/psychological instabilities throughout the first year. In circumstances completely different to yours. I believe that as young, pressured and sensitive youths; a dogmatic pass or fail judgement on the first year is a gross oversimplification of our complex needs and interests. Again due to its obsession with its income, the education system in general doesn't pay enough attention to students' emotional needs.
My instability and pressure was due to the following:
I was technically organising some fractitious, angry often unstable guys politically. I believe (most would disagree) that my free speech was being seriously impaired (knee capping threats, forced to remove political poster from window, University official waiting outside my room because id given out perfectly legal General Election leaflets, not allowed union representation, damage and theft of my property by students not punished by the University etc).
Anyways,.... I had no outlet for my fustration, and this screwed with my head and caused personality/behavioural disorders. Whether or not this was a sophistocated organised psychological attack by the media and Establishment is irrelevant.
My point is that, quite bluntly, I was ****ed up; and if I had screwed up my first year; then it would be due to my young, sensitive, rebellious and irratic nature; and not to academic ability. I have been extremely disorganised and only just clipped thru anyways. Had I slightly failed then I have no doubt in my mind that I should have passed because of the pressures I was under.
Of course that would be a much weaker case than Dani's, but I see it as also justifiable. In fact, most students have emotional-psychological problems not addressed by the rigid marking system. This is especially important in the first year when instabilities are going to be at the highest. Further, something like half of the population have unstable personality types, again this is not addressed by academic institutions generally.
Dani dont take out your anger on the peeps who work at the University because they are only cogs in a machine and they know not what they do
Beat me up instead or something.
Demanding the certificate at such short notice is out of order. But again people are stupid and insensitive, hell- I screw things up all the time!!!!!!! I know they're being totally unreasonable heartless vampiric bastards but you dont know whats happening in their lives to make them so screwy.
Again, even if, worst case; they said you had to retake the year (and I dont think you'll have to) then you'll be able to reap a number of fantastic advantages!!
Heres two tips:
1) every morning pray to God:
"Dear father, please make some things go horribly wrong for me today."
I do this. So if something goes horirbly wrong in my day then I go WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
things have gone better than id asked for!! i expected a number of things to go horribly wrong!!! So far.... only one thing has gone horribly wrong, lucky me!
2) However bad a situation seems, think of three positives
eg) I have to resit the first year
positive 1- I get to study for longer and do even better in my degree!!
positive 2- I get to save up a fair amount of money to spend on shoes and pretty girly things
positive 3- I get to do some REALLY EXCITING work experience. WOW, im so lucki, I can get ALL THIS EXTRA ON MY CV!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOO!!
And remember: Tough times dont last- tough people do!
Steve
Dani said that she still hadn't found herself accomodation for the second yr by the time of the re-sit. Well, Keele 2nd year officially starts in 3 days and I still haven't found a place!! Well.... sorta but all are loose possibilities. So Dani, you have your head screwed on a lot better than I do.
I had mental/psychological instabilities throughout the first year. In circumstances completely different to yours. I believe that as young, pressured and sensitive youths; a dogmatic pass or fail judgement on the first year is a gross oversimplification of our complex needs and interests. Again due to its obsession with its income, the education system in general doesn't pay enough attention to students' emotional needs.
My instability and pressure was due to the following:
I was technically organising some fractitious, angry often unstable guys politically. I believe (most would disagree) that my free speech was being seriously impaired (knee capping threats, forced to remove political poster from window, University official waiting outside my room because id given out perfectly legal General Election leaflets, not allowed union representation, damage and theft of my property by students not punished by the University etc).
Anyways,.... I had no outlet for my fustration, and this screwed with my head and caused personality/behavioural disorders. Whether or not this was a sophistocated organised psychological attack by the media and Establishment is irrelevant.
My point is that, quite bluntly, I was ****ed up; and if I had screwed up my first year; then it would be due to my young, sensitive, rebellious and irratic nature; and not to academic ability. I have been extremely disorganised and only just clipped thru anyways. Had I slightly failed then I have no doubt in my mind that I should have passed because of the pressures I was under.
Of course that would be a much weaker case than Dani's, but I see it as also justifiable. In fact, most students have emotional-psychological problems not addressed by the rigid marking system. This is especially important in the first year when instabilities are going to be at the highest. Further, something like half of the population have unstable personality types, again this is not addressed by academic institutions generally.
Dani dont take out your anger on the peeps who work at the University because they are only cogs in a machine and they know not what they do
Beat me up instead or something.Demanding the certificate at such short notice is out of order. But again people are stupid and insensitive, hell- I screw things up all the time!!!!!!! I know they're being totally unreasonable heartless vampiric bastards but you dont know whats happening in their lives to make them so screwy.
Again, even if, worst case; they said you had to retake the year (and I dont think you'll have to) then you'll be able to reap a number of fantastic advantages!!
Heres two tips:
1) every morning pray to God:
"Dear father, please make some things go horribly wrong for me today."
I do this. So if something goes horirbly wrong in my day then I go WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
things have gone better than id asked for!! i expected a number of things to go horribly wrong!!! So far.... only one thing has gone horribly wrong, lucky me!2) However bad a situation seems, think of three positives
eg) I have to resit the first year
positive 1- I get to study for longer and do even better in my degree!!
positive 2- I get to save up a fair amount of money to spend on shoes and pretty girly things
positive 3- I get to do some REALLY EXCITING work experience. WOW, im so lucki, I can get ALL THIS EXTRA ON MY CV!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOO!!
And remember: Tough times dont last- tough people do!
Steve
Next time you speak to someone in the offices DEMAND that they heed your request, and don't leave until they sort you out. They may just be cogs, but they still have the power to do something, and when you're right in their faces it's hard for them to just push aside as 'another number'. It's wholly unfair that they've made you wait like this, then give you near impossible deadlines just because the appeals board is completely incompetent.
It's unfortunate but the only way I've found to get through problems like this is just to be headstrong and absolutely stubborn, and not stop pestering them until you've got what you want. I'm no law student, but it could be possible if you have some kind of record of what's happened to sue the appeals board and/or the uni at a later stage for risk to mental health.
It's really late/early because I can't sleep! So this post might be completely stupid, but basically the only advice I can give you is to believe in yourself and be commited to what you want, look for support when you need it (as you are here
), and always try and stay optimistic, you can pretty much guarantee that there are always people worse off then you in this world (unfortunately for them).
It's unfortunate but the only way I've found to get through problems like this is just to be headstrong and absolutely stubborn, and not stop pestering them until you've got what you want. I'm no law student, but it could be possible if you have some kind of record of what's happened to sue the appeals board and/or the uni at a later stage for risk to mental health.
It's really late/early because I can't sleep! So this post might be completely stupid, but basically the only advice I can give you is to believe in yourself and be commited to what you want, look for support when you need it (as you are here
), and always try and stay optimistic, you can pretty much guarantee that there are always people worse off then you in this world (unfortunately for them).Hey thanks for the advice and support guys. Trust me, I've tried to be stubborn to get things done, but the biggest problem is actually getting someone at Keele to answer the stupid phone.
Well fingers crossed for today.
How does someone fail the FIRST YEAR ffs?!?!
I can't believe I failed the first year! And it wasn't even by fault of my own - it is Keele's fault!
Well fingers crossed for today.
How does someone fail the FIRST YEAR ffs?!?!
I can't believe I failed the first year! And it wasn't even by fault of my own - it is Keele's fault!
And to rub salt into the wound, the Law dept STILL haven't given us an explanation as to why they messed the exam up. Its insulting.
Thanks for the support so far guys, its really nice to know that I'm not being irrational or anything.
I'll let you know as soon as I find out.
*fingers crossed*
I'll let you know as soon as I find out.
*fingers crossed*
Still no word so on Monday when everyone registers I don't know if I'll be registering for 1st year or 2nd year.
How pathetic is that? For a universiy they need to sort their act out.
How pathetic is that? For a universiy they need to sort their act out.
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