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With the high rate of criminals reoffending after their release from prison it doesn't take a genius to work out that prison is not working.

De-humanising people is not the right thing to do - it is just not the correct way to go about changing somebodies ways.

However I admit that there is no other form of punishment that a criminal could be given to compensate for murder etc and so they are thrown into prison.

Rehabilitation - not in British jails I am afraid.
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(Original post by eddiedaboss)
With the high rate of criminals reoffending after their release from prison it doesn't take a genius to work out that prison is not working.

De-humanising people is not the right thing to do - it is just not the correct way to go about changing somebodies ways.

However I admit that there is no other form of punishment that a criminal could be given to compensate for murder etc and so they are thrown into prison.

Rehabilitation - not in British jails I am afraid.
my opinion is - whatever any1 else thinks if they can be bothered to view an opinion.

criminals r criminals, crime will always happen.
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(Original post by eddiedaboss)
With the high rate of criminals reoffending after their release from prison it doesn't take a genius to work out that prison is not working.

De-humanising people is not the right thing to do - it is just not the correct way to go about changing somebodies ways.

However I admit that there is no other form of punishment that a criminal could be given to compensate for murder etc and so they are thrown into prison.

Rehabilitation - not in British jails I am afraid.
Theres a statistic out there that about 20% of socket plugs out there in the UK, is made in the UK prisons by the prisoners themselfs. So, next time you use a kettle. Think of the thief who made it just for you.
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Criminals should be locked out of society, and that's what happens. Some re-offend, some don't. That's life.

Does anyone think the death penalty should be used in extreme cases?

I think if there is very conclusive evidence that someone is guilty, and they've commited a particularly bad crime, they should be killed.

Other opinions welcome.......
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I've said this before and i'll say it again. the justice system is wrong . They don't give the correct punishment for the crime, they give out a universal prison sentences that in most cases is not the correct measure and inevitably do not prevent offenders from re-offending.
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I agree that prison in lots of ways isnt an ideal form of punishment, in sum cases it may work because people dont wanna go back. But yes i agree often people come out with more criminal accument than when they went in, i think in the case of murder it would be a crime which one is less likley to repeat as often there is just a one off motive, unless the person has physcological problems. I think there is more problem coping with serial rapests and paedophiles where a soloution is more difficult
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if u go 2 prison r u allowed a pc wiv access to the internet
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if u go 2 prison r u allowed a pc wiv access to the internet
Yeah, but only in the paedophile block so they can access their child-porn. i wouldn't be surprised if they had internet access. They have TVs and they even have a toilet in their room (something i don't have, although that could be a good thing)
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I think the most important reason for punishment is far and away deterent, not rehabilitation. However, it is not as effective at this as it could be because prison sentences are far, far to low for most crimes and the police lack the resources to catch enough criminals.
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the police lack the resources to catch enough criminals.
No they don't. Do you know how much speed cameras cost the government to install? Do you know how much talivans cost the goverment to maintain? Do you know how much the government pay in administration costs for speeding motorists?

Whilst the government is spending money trying to catch these demonic speeders that are speeding all over the country killing thousands of people everyday, they are letting criminals wander in schools and the street.

Please note, i was being sarcastic about the speeders before anyone gets the wrong idea.
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Prison is less of a restriction anyway, people used to fear not only the right to move but the right to do anything, now only the right to move is stopped. The great train robber was quoted as saying he would be quite happy to be extradited back to england as a couple of years in prison is nothing as bad as it used to be. The reason criminals aren't reformed is because compared to where some people live, prison has some luxuries. That said, i still agree that prison isnt the answer in many cases and many people that wouldnt benefit from prison are given prison sentences that are a waste of time, just for the sake of following guidelines instead of the facts of the case and the defendant.
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No they don't. Do you know how much speed cameras cost the government to install? Do you know how much talivans cost the goverment to maintain? Do you know how much the government pay in administration costs for speeding motorists?

Whilst the government is spending money trying to catch these demonic speeders that are speeding all over the country killing thousands of people everyday, they are letting criminals wander in schools and the street.

Please note, i was being sarcastic about the speeders before anyone gets the wrong idea.
lol

I thought the police got more money through fines than they spent on speeding, but I'm probably wrong.
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It's not only about money, it's about time. They waste valuable police time putting them on the side of a road with a radar gun to try and catch someone doing 56mph in a 50mph zone, they could be patrolling the streets or patrolling the roads and pulling over dangerous drivers.
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It's not only about money, it's about time. They waste valuable police time putting them on the side of a road with a radar gun to try and catch someone doing 56mph in a 50mph zone, they could be patrolling the streets or patrolling the roads and pulling over dangerous drivers.

Fair play to police forces if one camera can catch motorists speeding (breaking the law and endangering pedestrians/other motorists) and also raising a nice little income at the same time.

Isn't it a good thing, how could you possibly disagree with speed cameras - they are effective and efficient.

If you dont drive over the limit then you wont get fined - ITS SIMPLE!!
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They're not effective. How many pedestrians are there by a dual carriageway? If the motorway is clear and it's dry why is it not safe to drive at 90mph? Speed cameras aren't efficient, people know where they are so slow down to the limit and then accelerate again, they rarely have film in them. I'm getting my spud gun to shoot some cameras down, if not there's always the burning tyre over the camera.
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Back to the prison sentences, i don't want to hi-jack your thread with my feelings about speed cameras, you're aware of them and if you want me to repeat myself sometime start a thread about it. But for now issue closed.
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They're not effective. How many pedestrians are there by a dual carriageway? If the motorway is clear and it's dry why is it not safe to drive at 90mph? Speed cameras aren't efficient, people know where they are so slow down to the limit and then accelerate again, they rarely have film in them. I'm getting my spud gun to shoot some cameras down, if not there's always the burning tyre over the camera.

A limit is a limit - all motorists are aware of the limit they can't exceed!

And so all they have to do is abide by the highway code and then there is no problem. If they do exceed the limit, then rightly too they deserve a fine.
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(Original post by G4ry)
No they don't. Do you know how much speed cameras cost the government to install? Do you know how much talivans cost the goverment to maintain? Do you know how much the government pay in administration costs for speeding motorists?

Whilst the government is spending money trying to catch these demonic speeders that are speeding all over the country killing thousands of people everyday, they are letting criminals wander in schools and the street.

Please note, i was being sarcastic about the speeders before anyone gets the wrong idea.
well the government earns money from them (what about hte five pund charge so victims of crime can recieve counselling courtesy of a bloke whose wife is just about to have a baby in hospital).
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(Original post by eddiedaboss)
With the high rate of criminals reoffending after their release from prison it doesn't take a genius to work out that prison is not working.

De-humanising people is not the right thing to do - it is just not the correct way to go about changing somebodies ways.

However I admit that there is no other form of punishment that a criminal could be given to compensate for murder etc and so they are thrown into prison.

Rehabilitation - not in British jails I am afraid.
The objective of prisions is not mainly to rehabilitate criminals, although they do that to a large extent (Even if many never change, lots of people do). The main point of a prision is to scare people who have not yet performed a crime from doing so. The idea is that people should know that you might get thrown in prision if you rob someone else. Surely, crime would increase if there was no punishment for violating the law. In fact, laws are quite meaningless if there is no way to enforce them and to punish those who violate them. After all, why would people care about laws if there are no consequences of violating them?
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The objective of prisions is not mainly to rehabilitate criminals, although they do that to a large extent (Even if many never change, lots of people do). The main point of a prision is to scare people who have not yet performed a crime from doing so. The idea is that people should know that you might get thrown in prision if you rob someone else. Surely, crime would increase if there was no punishment for violating the law. In fact, laws are quite meaningless if there is no way to enforce them and to punish those who violate them. After all, why would people care about laws if there are no consequences of violating them?

Prison is a form of punishment but not an effective one.

There must be an other alternative and effective solution to prison as it is clear that its not the answer and in a few years to come it wont even be possible to send criminals to prison because they will be all full!
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