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Reply 40

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by noodlesandsoup
thank you...will give it a try...hopefully i nail gmat :smile:


I was thinking of not taking GMAT.. pretty worried about my decision now tho... erghh.. i really hate this appllication process.. :frown:

Reply 41

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by kuzelle
I was thinking of not taking GMAT.. pretty worried about my decision now tho... erghh.. i really hate this appllication process.. :frown:


me too I hate it....i really hope to get into cambs Lse or warwick

Reply 42

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by noodlesandsoup
me too I hate it....i really hope to get into cambs Lse or warwick


yeap.. the courses at Imperial looks impressive as well.. :biggrin:.. I am just waiting on my transcripts to complete my application to cambridge.. and the word is that it might be a few weeks before I receive them.. :frown: :frown:

Reply 43

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by kuzelle
yeap.. the courses at Imperial looks impressive as well.. :biggrin:.. I am just waiting on my transcripts to complete my application to cambridge.. and the word is that it might be a few weeks before I receive them.. :frown: :frown:


Oh dear you will be fine not sending my applications till december...yep I am also applying to imperial..but its the most expensive :redface:

Reply 44

Hi everybody,
I would like to apply for the Mphil cambridge program starting in 2011.

There's only one thing I'm not understanding: to apply to the mphil in finance is it compulsory to have two references?

Because i couldn't find this rule anywhere on the finance entry requirements page, but I know it's necessary for others mphils...

Reply 45

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by ametista616
Hi everybody,
I would like to apply for the Mphil cambridge program starting in 2011.

There's only one thing I'm not understanding: to apply to the mphil in finance is it compulsory to have two references?

Because i couldn't find this rule anywhere on the finance entry requirements page, but I know it's necessary for others mphils...


Yes it is. 2 references. Take a look at the online camsis forms.

Reply 46

Top 15 University Economics BSc First class ( with mitigating circumstances not sure they care)

2 post graduate modules Harvard GPA 3.8

Taught Undergraduate studies 1-2 years

CFA level 1 hopefully soon

Corporate finance job now till start date.

I have applied to this course as well.

I'm hoping I stand atleast a chance.... What are the best universities in people's opinions for going investment banking.

Oxbridge, LSE, Warwick

then I'm not sure about UCL, Cass, Manchester, imperial

Any I have missed? Could someone rank them for me as well. I'm 21

Reply 47

@Ineedaplace

I think you stand a good chance of getting into Cambridge, I think the key thing is to get some top notch references since you have a first class degree. Again, as with most top schools, there is always "political" element to the admissions process once you get past the academic requirements, if you can get someone with some sway at Cambridge or your targets you probably have a really good shot at getting in.

In regards to ranking and getting into I-banking, it depends where you want to work, what kind of desk at the I-bank you want to be on. But in general I would rank them as follows

1) Oxford MFE (well connected w/ really good career service)
2) Cambridge (same as oxford)
3) LSE Msc. Fin. (in the city w/ good alumni base ~ plus interviewers from my experience can be genuinely lazy and don't mind if you can walk to their office)
4) Warwick Msc. Finance ( mixed bag i've heard good and bad things from profs)
5) Imperial (has a reputation of being cash cow program and is relatively new, but good name)
6) Cass ( in the city, but the program is kind of flop ~ I met some people from the program at a competition and most seem to have an undergrad from a top school or strong work experience so school rep. tends not to be an issue and usually are doing it to get the Msc. and go back to their original firm)

Again, these are my rankings and it is more or less from what i've gathered from talking to alumni and profs. So if someone else could chime in that would be nice! Conversely, if you are really into corporate finance and I-banking, you might be better off doing an MBA at one of the elite schools (Chicago, Harvard, Stern or Wharton) in the states because that tends to be the "conventional" hiring grounds for M&A and Industry groups from the bulge bracket i-banks.

Reply 48

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by Ineedaplace
Top 15 University Economics BSc First class ( with mitigating circumstances not sure they care)

2 post graduate modules Harvard GPA 3.8

Taught Undergraduate studies 1-2 years

CFA level 1 hopefully soon

Corporate finance job now till start date.

I have applied to this course as well.

I'm hoping I stand atleast a chance.... What are the best universities in people's opinions for going investment banking.

Oxbridge, LSE, Warwick

then I'm not sure about UCL, Cass, Manchester, imperial

Any I have missed? Could someone rank them for me as well. I'm 21


dats a really strong profile... yeap i'd probably rank them in the same order as optionchameleon. I was personally thinking of applyn for courses in Financial Mathematics, at LSE and Warwick, as I have heard that the competion is lower for this courses... Personally think the MFE at oxford is one of the best courses in the world...

Reply 49

btw am i the only person in this thread who has not submitted the application yet.. :frown:

Reply 50

Thanks for the advice, I think I have an idea of where I want to go now. I have gotten my references, not sure how they look like though. I graduated in the top 1% at my UK university just found out today because I didn't attend graduation day... Hopefully I will get an interview, really nervous already!!! Are alot of people doubtful about Cass? What about Manchester? I need some insurances.

Reply 51

@Ineedaplace

Cass and Manchester per se aren't horrible, but when you get to the 2nd tier school portion its an issue of name and alumni base. If there are alot of alumni in the city even if they don't recruit in the milkround season its a matter of networking, actually that's how I got my I-banking interviews in Toronto. In turn, if you really wanna get good backups you could shoot for HEC and Bocconi, both have relatively good reps (possible abit better than Cass) and their coursework is pretty robust so you can escape being duped and at least learn something. But if you are adamant about staying in the UK, Cass is your best bet, simply because its the in city and you are a stone throws away from all the bulge bracket offices.

Reply 52

Ok thanks for the advise. I will apply to cass later :smile:

Reply 53

what colleges are u lot applyn to??? I have got no idea!!!!!.. :frown:

Reply 54

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by optioncameleon
@Ineedaplace

Cass and Manchester per se aren't horrible, but when you get to the 2nd tier school portion its an issue of name and alumni base. If there are alot of alumni in the city even if they don't recruit in the milkround season its a matter of networking, actually that's how I got my I-banking interviews in Toronto. In turn, if you really wanna get good backups you could shoot for HEC and Bocconi, both have relatively good reps (possible abit better than Cass) and their coursework is pretty robust so you can escape being duped and at least learn something. But if you are adamant about staying in the UK, Cass is your best bet, simply because its the in city and you are a stone throws away from all the bulge bracket offices.


Hi optioncameleon

I am applying to HEC Paris. I show the same preference for HEC as for LSE because of HEC's high ranking and good job placement data (postgraduate employment rate, average starting salary, etc), which looks even better than Oxford MFE. Why do you regard it as a backup? Could you share some insights into the school other than what I can get from its website?

Cheers

Reply 55

@Mr Incredible

I was of the same opinion at the beginning, but from what I know about the french system, there tends to be a bias towards the grande ecole background, now granted HEC Paris is a grande ecole, but generally the people you will be competing against for jobs will be from top tier french schools and are extremely qualified students (e.g. engineers) who put most of their western counterparts to shame. Additionally, from my experience french firms, which hire primarily out of HEC, tend to carry on that bias so breaking in with a french firm can be tough. Also international firms that hire tend to have "hard-on" for the unconventional background. I know for a fact, after talking with some people from McKinsey that they tend to target engineers vs. pure business students. So I think on that level HEC Paris can be a slippery slope from that point of view.
Secondly, the Mfin program (I might be wrong) is a portion of their more notable Masters in Management so my biggest concern with the school is that you tend to rank below in recruitment priorities relative to other programs in the school as well as in the eyes of more prominent recruiters.

Conversely, in the case of the Oxford MFE, you are in a school with an extremely well established and highly respected reputation in London and across the world, which is not necessarily the case with HEC. However, this is not to trash HEC, its simply of the "elite" schools out there, there are ones with better job prospects and learning opportunities.

Reply 56

Original post
by optioncameleon

@optioncameleon and others watching this thread

Thank you for your information. Actually I have applied to oxbridge, LSE, warwick, HEC and perhaps would apply to rsm later. But the admissions of the british "elite" schools (presumably oxbridge & lse) are fairly competitive. It's more likely that I would be admitted by imperial, warwick, HEC or RSM. Although competing in the French job market is tough, HEC is the best French b-school besides insead, which I think would not give me too much disadvantage. However, going to imperial/warwick means that I would have to compete with graduates from oxbridge & LSE. Isn't this even tougher?

Additionally, I am not an EU citizen and this would make it harder for me to find a good job in UK, given the proposed tighter visa policy here. Considering the possible situation of going back to Asia, school reputation, besides local career prospects, is also important. How would you rank imperial, warwick, HEC and RSM in terms of international reputation?

Reply 57

I think you bring up a good point, you will be competing with people from oxford, cambridge, LSE etc., but you have to remember that Warwick is actually pretty well respected and I am sure that if you come across as qualified and with a drive for the job, you can probably outflank candidates from LSE without a doubt and possibly some from oxford and cambridge. Also the thing you have to remember and I think this is why you are seeing more kids from the grande ecole trying to get out of France, is the playing field is supposedly more level and the grass at least "was" greener on that side of the of channel, so if you get into warwick- and looking at your profile will probably get into LSE without too much of a hassle, I would not sweat it too much.
Now in regards to international reputation, I cannot really comment on Imperial, but I would ponder a guess that it is certainly not as strong as HEC or Oxbridge (note that it is a different story for their engineering program), however I am pretty sure most people in the commonwealth will probably know imperial or at least one person in the office will have heard of it (probably an engineer or physicist turned quant). Conversely, for Warwick, I actually heard this and I was surprised, but supposedly it is relatively well respected in Asia (but you should check up on that) and there seems to be some alumni's in that part of the world.
Again, I am a foreigner in Canada, so I get where you are coming from in terms of visa and so forth, but you gotta remember that once you have a grad degree, usually the points-based system in most commonwealth counries gives you a high degree of flexibility in terms of permanent residency and if you don't mind the cold weather Canada is always an option lol.
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Reply 58

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by optioncameleon
I think you bring up a good point, you will be competing with people from oxford, cambridge, LSE etc., but you have to remember that Warwick is actually pretty well respected and I am sure that if you come across as qualified and with a drive for the job, you can probably outflank candidates from LSE without a doubt and possibly some from oxford and cambridge. Also the thing you have to remember and I think this is why you are seeing more kids from the grande ecole trying to get out of France, is the playing field is supposedly more level and the grass at least "was" greener on that side of the of channel, so if you get into warwick- and looking at your profile will probably get into LSE without too much of a hassle, I would not sweat it too much.
Now in regards to international reputation, I cannot really comment on Imperial, but I would ponder a guess that it is certainly not as strong as HEC or Oxbridge (note that it is a different story for their engineering program), however I am pretty sure most people in the commonwealth will probably know imperial or at least one person in the office will have heard of it (probably an engineer or physicist turned quant). Conversely, for Warwick, I actually heard this and I was surprised, but supposedly it is relatively well respected in Asia (but you should check up on that) and there seems to be some alumni's in that part of the world.
Again, I am a foreigner in Canada, so I get where you are coming from in terms of visa and so forth, but you gotta remember that once you have a grad degree, usually the points-based system in most commonwealth counries gives you a high degree of flexibility in terms of permanent residency and if you don't mind the cold weather Canada is always an option lol.


No ones heard or cares for HEC outside France.

Reply 59

@prospectivEEconomist

LMAO...I love your optimism; though I think there is something to be said about their placement and thus their recognition abroad, plus I am pretty sure one of my friends has a co-worker in NY that did grad. from HEC Paris but I think (don't quote me) he might have done his masters at ENSAE, so yeah.

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